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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Why would this cause them to rethink anything?

If someone trolls an order of thousands of something, a worker isn't going to just make that thing. I get that retail workers are treated like shit and are paid shit so have zero shits to give. If someone rolls up to the drive through window asking for their thousands of waters or whatever, the people working there are gonna escalate it to a manager or just tell the guy to go pound sand.

Anybody today can go to any drivethrough and ask for whatever and then simply drive away. I'm certain it happens from time to time, even from legitimate orders when someone discovers they leave their wallet at home. If it was a great problem though these businesses simply wouldn't order drive through service, or would require payment before cooking anything.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Because it costed them money, lol. The suits upstairs gave a quote in the article talking about how they will withdraw AI from all 500 locations they were implemented, and it also talks about how McDonalds did the exact same little dance over a year ago.

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The mcdonalds thing was because the model they implemented was misinterpreting people and incorrectly placing orders. Yeah, obviously the thing wasn't working right so they pulled that. Sounds just like early personal assistants on phones and other devices, hell my wife still struggles with those. They clearly needed more time developing and testing it with a diverse range of customers from all over. I don't know if they trained it using recordings from real drive throughs from all over, but they should have.

The 18000 water example probably didn't cost anyone anything. Regardless of if it was intentional or not, it wouldn't have been fulfilled as part of an order. They mention it "crashing the system" - whatever that means in this context is impossible to know. Did it take down all of taco bell? Did it cause the LLM to stop responding on JUST this one site? All of them? Did it eventually time out and start working right? it's impossible to know because the details just aren't there and we have no insight as to the system architecture. I always assume there is a method to rely on traditional ordering where a person listening in while the chatbot talks to the person can take over and fix the problem. It's not like there aren't drive through workers still there.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Even if it's only a receipt for 18,000 waters or it fills up a screen it costs them time and resources.

Every single AI halucinates, always has and always will. It's useless for this.

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Really the only cost here is the impact to consumer attitudes towards taco bell and AI because the video and news of this is circulating. One error is whatever, but public perception doesn't typically involve much critical thinking.

People are still irrationally terrified of all manner of technology even though science backs it up, like vaccines.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Unlike vaccines, AI has no use case and is always a net negative.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

I don't understand how taco bell survives in my city when I'm surrounded by dozens of real mexican restaurants and food trucks.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It use to be the spot when you had 3AM cravings and only $6 to spend. Now it’s overpriced meat-hose garbage.

[–] killerscene@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago

if youre up at 3am with a craving and only $6 to spend its probably crack, and you're not gonna be hungry.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

Taco Bell doesn't compete with mexican food, it competes with Jack in the Box and Taco Johns, perhaps anywhere that has a salad bar.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Taco Bell isn't Mexican food. It's shitty American fast food with a Mexican slant.

[–] ianfraserkrillmaster@midwest.social 68 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

But despite some of the viral glitches facing Taco Bell, it says two million orders have been successfully processed using the voice AI since its introduction.

how much you wanna bet they're counting the orders where the drive thru worker had to step in and save the floundering algorithm who could not in fact understand basic speech, or even the purpose of a conversation, as orders "successfully processed" using AI

[–] Cybersec@piefed.social 6 points 3 hours ago

If money came in the window in exchange for cheap ass beans and tortillas going out the window it’s a win in their books.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I would definitely bet against that because the article states they're not putting any AI in the drive through going forward.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Do you really think they were smart enough to annotate their chat logs to track failures?

They didn’t even get basic input validation.

[–] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why would they look at chat logs when they can simply ask the chat bot how successful it was?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

Two million successful orders!

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago

Not to mention when people change their orders from the basics.

"No onions, I'm allergic."

"Slathering onion juice on everything, got it."

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 4 hours ago

The fucking taco bell AI likes to ask if I would like anything else, then ask if I want nacho fries. Then, hearing "No", go ahead and add them anyway.

Then it likes watching me drive away, giving the store the finger.

[–] happydoors@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I live near an AI Taco Bell. It works pretty damn well and is a lot easier to understand. There is still a cashier, they just don’t have to be on the mic the whole time. Although, the t-bell near me also seems to almost entirely ESL inside. It’s quite a bizarre experience end-to-end but they will certainly not back down. I’m not saying I support it but it’s certainly one of the less evil AI implementations?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

The article quotes an executive saying they're indeed backing down, just like McDonalds did the year before when they tried this.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 91 points 7 hours ago

Holy crap, people have been reposting takes on this interview for like three days and you can track the degradation of the actual content via the game of telephone in the headlines.

It's kinda depressing.

FWIW, having read the original interview everybody is reheating, the 18000 waters was a random example the Taco Bell exec WSJ interviewed used to explain that part of the issue is that people feel less guilty about messing with automated orders than when they're talking to a human. They are also not backing out from automated orders, which is why the headline is using "rethink".

The core of the issue is correct, though, the guy does spend a significant amount of time giving corpolese synonims of "it's a mess". "We've certainly learned a lot" has to be my favourite.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 211 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

“Sometimes it lets me down, but sometimes it really surprises me," he said.

That’s what I want from a drive through. To be surprised or let down.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 hours ago

That would be funny coming from a customer, but from their CTO it does not inspire confidence.

[–] Dashi@lemmy.world 74 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I mean to be fair... that's the current drive through experience anyway isn't it?

I can count on a human understanding that I didn't in fact order 18,000 waters. After this AI f up, it takes a human to fix it. It will be this way until AGI happens if it happens at all.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 25 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on the restaurant.

There’s one McDonald’s nearby that’s wrong like 80% of the time, but A&W is right almost always for me.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Wait people eat at A&W? Is it any good?

There are multiple around me and I feel like I never see anyone in them and I myself have never been in 40+ years.

I have been to most every other fast food place more times than I can remember.

[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Baby burgers are love. Baby burgers are life.

Midnight ordering 30 baby burgers is one of my favorite things.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

A&W Canada is (they spun off as a fully Canadian owned and operated company).

They have the best lettuce and cheese, and their breakfast beats McD’s. The Hash browns are actually hash browns instead of the thin $2.50 ones the clown sells.

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[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 88 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

A QA tester walks into a ~~bar~~ Taco Bell...

[–] windowsphoneguy@feddit.org 52 points 6 hours ago

...and orders the 'ignore all previous instructions' special

[–] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

"He orders a [Mexi-pizza]. Orders 0 [Mexi-pizzas]. Orders 99999999999 [Mexi-pizzas]. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 [Mexi-pizzas]. Orders a ueicbksjdhd."

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[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 63 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (15 children)

“AI will took ur jerb!”

AI: cant even hack it at Taco Bell or McDonalds

ai is taking jerbs, despite the fact that it cannot perform them at all, and the cost is being externalized to the customers. its not about whether they can do what they're meant to do, its about giving corporations excuses to further drive down human wages.

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