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[–] bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

so will linux foundation drop android using linux kernel?

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

This is cruel, now I feel like some kind of criminal. Who knew that the most dangerous criminal is an ordinary consumer who wants freedom...

[–] edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

off topic me using android 2015

I remember when I was younger is rooted phone and installed freedom apk. This app was awesome and allowed you to buy stuff from Google Play for free. Does anyone remember this app? I always thought that logo was really weird.

[–] Firnin@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago

I never heard of freedom APK, but Lucky Patcher worked like a charm!

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 46 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

AOSP

Android Open Source Project

look inside

not open source

mfw

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

You can still use AOSP to make your own phone, but you'll just have to built your own apps too, since eventually, all of google play apps aren't gonna work on degoogled Android.

[–] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

you'll just have to built your own apps too

We are well on our way.

I was confused before I made the switch. So many of the most useful kinds of apps weren't maintained anymore by anyone on the Google Play store. I had this surreal feeling that the app ecosystem was getting worse every year.

And then I installed F-Droid and figured out where all of my favorite app developers went. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] freeman@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago

Never forget the possibility of very powerful NFC tags which could automate your day!

[–] Ernstrommel@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago

I’ll break my sons phone the day that he comes phone with a data harvested machine.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 3 hours ago

AOKP gang rise

[–] HarryOru@lemmy.zip 16 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

As gross as Google's endless enshittification is, I blame the consumers for most of it. People vote with their wallets and they've been voting for the locked up walled garden crap option for the past two decades, especially in the US, where there is literally a culture of "ew, you have a green message bubble!" and chasing a status symbol is way more important than things like actual ownership over your devices, digital freedom and customization. And funnily enough, Google's hardware sales have started increasing steadily since they've started copying Apple's shitty model.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, I too blame the overworked and underpaid population that were never given a real education besides a dysfunctional and authoritarian public school system which contains at least 50% pro-status-quo propaganda and omit real useful information, and teaches kids to obey teachers and the school admin, and subjugate their free will. /s

[–] HarryOru@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 hours ago

"I get in line to buy shit phones because I'm oppressed, overworked and underpaid". Alright. Hopefully the corporate overlords will do something about it, then.

[–] Pazuzu@midwest.social 34 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Ah yes, the consumers having no real practical alternative between apple and android means they support all the bullshit Google is forcing onto android ^/s^

How do you propose I vote with my wallet when using something like grapheneOS requires buying a pixel?

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 2 points 22 minutes ago

Even with Graphene, it's increasingly likely that it'll be dead to new Pixels in the coming years. And I say that as someone posting this from a Pixel 9 running Graphene.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

GraphineOS is the epitome of paying against your values then using foss without giving back.

Murena sells phones with e/os already installed, and there seems to be others too where you can buy a phone: iodé , jolla, pine64, pureos,

[–] Binzy_Boi@feddit.online 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I spent $500 on a Murena only for the thing to brick a month later because the cord or whatever connecting the rechargable battery to the rest of the phone somehow split off. Would've been open to shipping the thing back to them for a repair/replacement since a local shop was unable to do so, but they use UPS for shipping and there was no way in hell I was going to deal with the absolute mess it was to receive the phone to begin with a second time.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 3 points 4 hours ago

You did get the fairphone model right? The one brand that’s repairable?

[–] HarryOru@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

The time to support Android was 15 years ago when you could install any OS on any device, side load anything you wanted, root, mod, replace your battery, have full control over your file system, expand your storage, etc. Or 10 years ago, when Google was selling completely unlocked developer oriented phones, offering most of its services for free, opening sources, and actually innovating in fields like computational photography while also researching interesting concepts like modular phones.

If you feel like you can't vote with your wallet today it's because the market as a whole has abundantly shown that it really doesn't give a fuck about any of those things, and it will always give the dominant position to whoever markets more aggressively or more effectively, even if the business models of those companies go against the consumers' interests.

People in 2007 jumped at the chance to buy a ridiculously overpriced phone with no physical keyboard, a VGA camera without flash, no MMS or 3G support, no apps or customization whatsoever, no expandable storage, no battery replacement, terrible repairability, locked in to proprietary accessories and software, and so on. This, while the competition at the time was putting out cheaper phones with things like OLED screens, professional optics with xenon flashes, dual SIMs, microSD support, the latest connectivity standards, etc.

And when Apple patent trolled, took away things like the headphone jack, or normalized imposing ridiculous costs and taking huge cuts from developers, did people stop buying their products? No, they bought more.

I'm not defending Google at all. Their decline is abhorrent, but it's a corporation, and corporations will always choose profit over everything else. It's really naive to think they'll offer their customers the more ethical option just out of the goodness of their hearts, especially when the market has been taking for granted or even actively discouraging the things that positively differentiated them from the competition.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 5 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Soo, anyone ELI5. If Android is basically Linux, how hard would it be - given drivers are not an issue - so just make a Linux phone and mass produce it? You probably don't have that many apps, but it will be possible to call and/or use messaging apps.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Linux is just the Kernel, Android is the OS. There's a ton of stuff on top of Linux that makes an Android device.

Making an Android device (or Android device hardware) run Linux isn't hard. In fact, you can just use Termux on pretty much any Android device to run a regular desktop Linux distro run in a container on Android. That way, the Linux distro uses the kernel from the host Android OS and just runs its own userspace parallel to Android's userspace.

But if you want to make a stand-alone Linux phone without Android, your biggest issue is that you won't have phone apps. There's close to no app support for phone-linux. So on your Linux phone you won't get any banking/authenticator/messaging/games/... apps. You can run desktop apps, but that sucks on a tiny touchscreen display. And many use cases (e.g. authenticator/two-factor/buying public transport tickets) are very cumbersome or sometimes even not possible on desktop OSes.

Now you an make your Linux phone run Android by emulating the Android userspace. That's possible, but then again you are basically running Android at that point anyway. But Android with one big caveat: It's not a Google Play Store Certified device, and it will never be if it's not running full Android.

And missing Google Play Store Certification means no google services and no apps that rely on Google Services or require Google Play Store Certification. That means e.g. no Banking/Authenticator apps and many games won't run.

Also, if you aren't actually running Android but some kind of Android emulator, you will always be outdated and buggy.

So essentially you made a phone that

  • Runs Linux apps a little better than an Android phone
  • Gives you more control
  • Allows you to do much, much less in regards to it being an Android phone

People have done it. There are a handful of Linux phones (e.g. Librem 5, Pinephone) that are barely usable as phones due to lack of app support.

They've done the opposite as well, so running Linux on a phone originally designed for Android (e.g. PostmarketOS), also barely usable as a phone.

There's also the middle-ground with custom ROMs, some of them degoogled (like LineageOS, GrapheneOS, /e/ and many others). They run full-fat Android, but without all the Google apps including Play Store, Google Services and of course also without Google Play Store Certification. That's more usable as a phone, but you will still be cut off from anything using Google Services. There are some hacks and workarounds that sometimes work and sometimes not. You might get stuff to work but it's a constant race.

The problem is that currently if you want to use a phone as a full phone that covers all phone usecases, it's got to be an iPhone or a Google certified Android phone.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago

given drivers are not an issue

All the Linux phones run on outdated hardware because that's the main problem.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 7 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

You can, but no one will use it because you won't have Android apps on it. The lock in is real

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, time for zoomers to experience our childhood (with phones that could call, send SMS, and play Snake).

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[–] blaggle42@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

So how come android is Linux but Linux don't run android apps? How hard it is to have a simulator like harmony os for unsupported apps?

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 5 hours ago

there are android emulators / compatibility apps like WayDroid that you can run on linux to simulate an android experience but they're not perfect -- and any App that processes payments (banking, utility, parking) outright rejects being in a container and has many tests for detecting so

[–] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 3 points 5 hours ago

Android apps are specifically using google ecosystems and would break without such things. It would also mean taking a developers app and putting it in a new market, this requires permissions and they might be under contract.

Linux can run android apps, but having a fully commercial device would need lots of new natives.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Then you're basically making a ROM and there are many small detections for this. Many apps rely on proprietary closed source code like google play services

You will be able to do some things, but it will be a massive pain. Android is big, really big. Emulating will just mean you're running Android all over again (and it's often detected). Making a fork is a lot of work

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Jolla looks awesome, have to look into that.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah I’m eyeing that one too. Price is good OS looks good. I need to do my homework

[–] polle@feddit.org 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Iam still sad not having titanium backup with root on my current phone :(

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

I'm gonna carry around my steam deck and add a USB camera module, a GPS module, and add some meshtastic radios modules, and I'm gonna daily drive it as the ultimate all-in-one device, and Mr. Google Pichai can't stop me! xD

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