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There are phantom traffic jams where someone breaks hard and it ripples on for ages. You can see on YouTube.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I find it’s the speeders, tailgaters, and the infuriating few that can’t seem to manage to go at the prevailing speed that cause the waves in traffic. The rest is structural - merges, construction, lane reductions, etc. The aforementioned all cause the slowdowns because they move quickly, traffic tends to follow, and end up constantly hitting their brakes riding the ass of the slower traffic. That starts a wave that ends up with traffic stopping when density is high enough.

You can’t control others moving slower than you want, bitching about lane campers changes nothing, but managing a speed/spacing that allows little or no braking does wonders to keep things moving. If only people would bother to do so.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 1 points 55 seconds ago

I used to say "Speeding gets you nowhere, fast" but the irony is lost on anyone that does it.

[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

I think about this all the time while commuting. I yearn so much to teach the drivers this one simple trick!

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

This is like saying you don’t know how a bottleneck works.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 13 points 17 hours ago

Exactly, it's entirely because the people in front of you are going slow.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 81 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Hey I studied this in grad school for a bit, and it really is just "someone does some dumb shit which leads to a cascading wave of additional people doing dumb shit which propagates backwards for miles." Basically when the offered load is getting close to the maximum load, all it takes is one person aggressively changing lanes to throw that section of highway into gridlock, and it will remain that way until the total integrated traffic flux across that incident boundary again falls below the critical offered load inflection point.

Basically, pick a lane and just stay in it. Maintain proper following distance. Counterintuitively, the following distance should be for the speed you want to drive, so even in traffic it should be like 5+ car lengths even though you are going slow. This is because it reduces the offered load, and once that number falls below the critical point, speeds will increase again. Bumper to bumper traffic basically prevents that from happening because it dampens the ability for a "speedup" wave to propagate.

Of course this is all impossible for humans. All it takes is a few idiots to throw off the balance.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Sad thing is its more than just a few idiots.

The idiots are the majority. So stupidly self absorbed they constantly screw themselves over trying to "get theirs".

[–] N0t_Legal_Advice@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago

There was a really interesting MythBusters episode where they essentially replicate what you're talking about. Albeit with an "n" of 1 or 2 and a very small scale, but still interesting.

[–] LemmyZed@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So basically: 1. Put people in public transport away from the steering wheel, 2) scale back cars use.

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 1 day ago

so even in traffic it should be like 5+ car lengths even though you are going slow.

Other drivers: "It's free real estate"

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yep! All it takes is one person braking, and then the person behind braking, then the person behind them, and eith each braking the overall speed slows down more and more. It creates a wave of traffic. The wave passes through. The starting point I think moves back further and further.

I think about it a lot while I sit in traffic.

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Only ever have to ask, my friend

Heres an overview shot of a traffic pulse.

One person brakes for no reason which leads to everyone else braking. The pulse travels despite there being nothing there. The longer it can take for someone to start up again also can delay the whole thing.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It happens when people tailgate. They over react and it causes an accordion effect.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or when people drive too aggressively and cut someone off, causing the person being cut off to slam on their brake.

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[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 142 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Most traffic jams actually act as a kind of compression wave moving backwards through traffic. Something as small as a squirrel running across the road can cascade into an hour-long jam.

One person brakes, then the person behind them, then the person behind them, but each time they are getting closer to each other (nobody stays equidistant from the car in front of them when braking). This causes a greater and greater slowdown as more cars are compacted into a tighter space, which travels backwards in traffic like a wave. Often the person who caused it doesn't even realize anything happened.

A lot of mapping software actually estimates a given traffic slowdown by treating traffic as a fluid with a wave moving backwards through it.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

That's also why the best way to relieve traffic is to go at a slow even pace without braking. Every time the someone in heavy traffic runs up the ass of another car and brakes hard, or swerves into the "faster" lane and make someone else brake to not hit them, they cause another brake wave. If you have a few cars intentionally just hanging back and cruising with a big enough gap between them and the cars jocking for position in traffic in front of them, then their brake waves do not propogate behind you and eventually traffic just picks up pace again.

Edit: side bonus, you still get there just as fast, but with a lot less stress fighting assholes for position (minus the ones who fly past you thinking you're the asshole for not riding someone else's bumper)

[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Yeah, in theory it's great but every time I try it people just cut in front of me then slam on brakes causing me to have to brake then adjust then repeat ad nauseam. People suck.

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[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 71 points 1 day ago (10 children)

A few years ago, I was bitching and moaning about a jam, and my pal just said "you're not in traffic, you are traffic".

I know it's nothing more than a cheeky soundbite but just reframing it like that and knowing I'm part of the problem rather than the exception has made me a lot calmer on slow moving roads.

Plus it has encouraged me to either use public transport more, or just drive to a park-and-ride a mile or three out, and run the rest - facilities permitting of course.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

People drive too close to each other, someone has to slow down and then the car behind slows down a bit more. Repeat until you get to the point someone completely stops. Then the next car stops for slightly longer.

If you leave a safe distance then it wouldn't happen.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It all starts with someone in the passing lane, not passing, and one or more pissed off people behind them :)

The pissed off people trying to get around causes the wave of people behind them to brake and it snowballs from there.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah I drive around 3 hours on the highway every several weeks. Sometimes on my drive, there's obviously traffic. A lot of times it will be something like rush hour traffic, a crash, construction, etc.

But then like...a good portion of the time when I come to the very front of the "clog", I find that it is just a blockade of multiple people going incredibly slowly and taking up all lanes of traffic, refusing to move over despite the fact that they are going under the speed limit.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

3 fucking seconds

The answer is a simple 3 second gap.

That's it, just 3-mississippi (or 3-onethousand) seconds behind the car in front of you and most of the avoidable jams go away.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If you do that, someone will move into the gap. If someone moves into the gap you can slow down to make another gap to them, but then someone else will drive into that gap. I don't know of any major city where you can maintain a 3 second gap during rush hour.

Even worse, if you ever brake to try to create a gap, you're likely to cause a traffic jam behind you.

Sure, if everybody did follow the suggestion and allowed a 3 second gap you wouldn't have traffic jams, but that's just not human nature, apparently.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago (17 children)

99% of traffic like this is caused by people following too closely.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The people at the front are morons and probably in the wrong lane.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (16 children)

It's the people not zipper merging correctly. You have idiots entering that are not up to speed and you have idiots breaking for the idiots not up to speed.

On ramps should be required to have their lane not end abruptly which causes the panic. The on ram should continue for at least a 1/4 mile.

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