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[–] eve@evenyc.com 17 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

there is no such thing as privacy online. assume everything you type is seen or will be seen

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

And, increasingly, there's no such thing as offline.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

All of it will be justified with that guy who killed himsefl after talking to ChatGPT.

[–] eve@evenyc.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

we must protect the kids we don’t care about at all costs. except when they’re israeli pedophiles

🦉 269

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Or the friends of the US President, or the US president....

[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

For what crime?

Describing the desire to commit a crime? Not illegal

Writing fantasy about a world beyond the restrictions of current day moral laws? Not illegal

Jokingly telling ai you did a crime to see how it would react? Not illegal.

Is this the same guy that said he wanted us all to have personal, unrestricted models at some point?

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Where you been?

Thought crime is a thing now. Look into what Peter Thiel is doing.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 14 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

They dont care. They want people to be in line. Remember that tech bastard who said he wants to make AI pervasive and to force people to be on their best behavior? You think he's talking about Jay walking and shoplifting? He is talking about political or economic protests and advocacy. They don't give a fuck if murderers and armed robbers get away with their shit.

Look at what is happening in the UK. There are hundreds of arrests with their new law and basically all of them sre activists or people sharing information the genocide in Gaza. They then took fingerprints and DNA samples from them to enter into a database and they locked them up in jail for days.

Count dankula, a fascist youtuber in the UK only got a fine when he taught his dog how to do a Nazi salute and showed the video online. He never had to give fingerprints or DNA and never spent any time in a cell.

Let that sink in.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

They don’t give a fuck if murderers and armed robbers get away with their shit.

They care if murderers and robbers get away with their shit, they don't care if murderers and robbers get away with your shit. Important distinction.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

Count dankula, a fascist youtuber in the UK...

Wait until you see what the Fascists will do once they're in power, because they ain't gonna abolish the OSA or delist Palestine Action from the Proscribed Orgs list, that's for sure. Reform UK are saying "we're against the OSA" while at the same time banning books from Libraries in Council areas they control.

We are fucked five ways from sideways, the previous fuckers fucked things up, the current fuckers are fucking things up, the next fuckers are gonna fuck things up even more.

[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 hours ago

Let that sink in.

Please no, i am already drowning in it.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

Hey CIA, @ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online thinks that Skynet persecuting Americans who disagree with Skynet might not be ultra patriotic, or sufficiently supportive of Israel genocide. Swat them now!

[–] tarknassus@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

There are hundreds of arrests with their new law and basically all of them sre activists or people sharing information the genocide in Gaza. They then took fingerprints and DNA samples from them to enter into a database and they locked them up in jail for days.

... He never had to give fingerprints or DNA and never spent any time in a cell.

Erm, what?

Those hundreds of people have been arrested for offences under the Terrorism Act, protesting about the genocide in Gaza, and because they used the name of a (currently) proscribed terrorist group. Fingerprinting for arrests is default, DNA is a new one on me, but probably because they are under arrest for charges loosely related to terrorism, then that's procedure. They weren't arrested for other Public Order offences like Dankula would have likely been charged under. Although I am surprised Dankula didn't have to give fingerprints at a minimum. I did when I got caught shoplifting (40-odd years ago).

TBH people are thick. For example, some of the protestors crying about being held for 14 days. Well, that's standard for terrorism-related offences (including referring to proscribed groups like these people were):

You can be held without charge for up to 14 days if you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. (https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-held-in-custody)

The police have the right to:

  • take photographs of you
  • take fingerprints
  • take a DNA sample, such as from a mouth swab or head hair root
  • swab the skin surface of your hands and arms

They do not need your permission to do this. (https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/giving-fingerprints-photographs-and-samples)

The charges, of which only 10 of the 221 people arrested are referred to here: https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/statement-on-palestine-action/.

Do I, as a UK citizen, agree with this action to arrest en masses? No.

Do I think that the group in question should be proscribed? I don't know - some sources point to the fact they are/were planning other actions, some seem to think not. They certainly aren't in the league of the IRA back when I was a kid, and we heard about them very often on the news in the evenings. I've even seen the aftermath of some of their work back when I was travelling through London (at the same time as the Square Mile Bombing).

Do I think the UK Government are overstepping their bounds and exerting tighter and tighter control over the UK populace? Definitely. Sadly, too many people are either blase or ignorant and think "it doesn't affect me m8" and so do nothing about it, because we have been conditioned into looking out for number one only, and not considering the needs of the society at large.

The UK Govt has made some dangerously vague laws surrounding the right to protest, which makes it so much easier for police to decide that a protest is illegal (a knee-jerk idiotic piece of legislation in reaction to Just Stop Oil gluing themselves to roads or throwing soup at art). The culmination of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (aka Snoopers Charter), Police, Crime, Sentencing & Courts Act 2022, Public Order Act and now the Online Safety Act are all cumulative cuts and restrictions slowly being placed on the UK populace at large.

We are going to reap a whirlwind of pain from these laws being passed. Look at the shitshow of Apple vs UK Govt. That "request" for a backdoor to encrypted data (for worldwide Apple users btw) was secret, it was deemed illegal in UK law for Apple to reveal it, confirm it etc (destroying the warrant canary concept some places use) and only because a newspaper revealed it were Apple able to do anything about it. Getting the UK Govt to back down after their failure to keep it under wraps with a hidden tribunal (meaning us joe bloggs on the street would never know the outcome) and forcing them to put it into a public court means the UK Govt have egg on their face.

But it hasn't done shit about the actual law. That law still stands, and we still have no recourse to find out if Google, Facebook, or even that little car forum have had similar requests from the UK Gov. Because it's illegal to know.

The whole thing is fucking stupid.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, I see this as a consequence of all these articles about people using ChatGPT for harmful things

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Both they and Google are getting sued over kids who committed suicide, whose parents should have been monitoring them and getting them mental health treatment. If the courts decide that LLM companies bear legal and financial responsibility for user actions, then of course they're going to do this.

The only privacy is local. And actually, given Microsoft, local and Linux-based.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Coming soon: McDonalds get sued for selling burgers to a minor that ate 3 burgers every day and died! McDonalds must set thresholds per customer and collect IDs from minors!

I would be for holding companies responsible when they fuck up, like McDonalds clearly marketing burgers to minors and saying it's healthy, but we must not hold them more accountable than they really are

The only privacy is local. And actually, given Microsoft, local and Linux-based.

Soon: huggingface gets sued because hosted models are being used for getting drug recipes, or did not actively prevent people from killing themselves through it

By the way, I was recently testing https://nano-gpt.com/ which claims to have privacy through TEE models... but I don't see how it's private in any way? It just guarantees that the output went through some TEE, but it doesn't guarantee that the input and output didn't leak elsewhere or got logged

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

This scares the shit out of me. A hundred years ago we saw the rise of fascism. We saw freedom of expression being suppressed. But we had one thing going for us, which is the weakness of every dictatorship. The snitches are not enough and they can't be everywhere. You never know when they can be listening and chances are most times they aren't.

Now we are seeing the birth of a new fascism. Where AI can monitor ALL of us, ALL THE TIME. Not just our prompts. Everything. Everybody experienced talking about something with a friend and a few minutes later you are receiving ads about that thing, which you never searched before. Now imagine you are being monitored all the time for any kind of subsersive opinions. You won't have a window to fight. The moment you give the smallest hint of dissent, you are efficiently removed from society.

And forget just leaving smartphones. More and more all our services are associated with it. Very soon you won't be able to function in society without it.

AI won't rule us. AI will be the ultimate tool to help other humans rule us and fighting back will be almost impossible. I feel this isn't being talked enough and how eminent it is.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It's almost like the privacy alarmists, who have been screaming for decades, were on to something.

Some people saw the beginning of Minority Report and thought, 'that sounds like a good idea.'

We used to be in a world where it was unfeasible to watch everyone, and you could get away with small 'crimes' like complaining about the president online because it was impossible to get a warrant for surveillance without any evidence. Now, we have systems like Flock^1^ cameras^2^, ChatGPT and others that generate alerts to law enforcement on their own, subverting a need for a warrant in the first place. And more and more frequently, you both can't opt out and are unable to avoid them.

For now, the crime might be driving a car with a license plate flagged as stolen (or one where OCR mistakes a number), but all it takes is a tiny nudge further towards fascism before you can be auto-SWATted because the sentiment of your draft sms is determined to be negative towards the fuhrer.

Even now, I'm sacrificing myself to warn people. This message is on the internet and federated to multiple instances. There's no way I can't be identified by it with enough resources. Once it's too late, I'll be already on the list of people to remove.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I remember watching a video from the early 2000s that had a nightmare privacy scenario of someone trying to order a pizza, but then that person said nothing other than what they wanted and the people already knew his address, his job history, his health records and said that due to his latest health checkups if he wanted his double meat pizza they would need to pay additional, otherwise they would have to go with their health recommended vege pizza.

The video was made at a time when smart phones were a rarity and most people ordered food the old fashioned way... they called the place by phone, told them what they wanted and where they were , and paid for when it arrived in cash, since portable credit card readers were very uncommon.

Now we ARE in that situation, except for syncing medical records so that any company can use it. But we are going to get there soon enough, and it will be 'for the children, you pedo! Also if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear!' Bullshit that for some reason everyone believes and will never question... even if they caught up in the system themselves for some bullshit reason they will never, ever connect the dots.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 4 hours ago

Full agree. It's scary. These companies have collected enough data on us all -- sometimes (often?) through things we didn't directly use and thus didn't need to accept any T&C for, such as surveillance cameras in a business or public street -- that they can predict our actions, moods, and make inferences about our lives.

They have been doing this for YEARS, and they are constantly getting better. They don't even need health data, but I can guarantee they want it. I remember noticing that we had a phase where my wife was being advertised baby products on her streaming service. We were not having another child, but the timing was eerily close to the interval between #1 and #2. I actually just had a hesitation about divulging that I have 2 kids, but then said fuck it, they already know.

Add to all that the 'for the children' angle, which I've always hated. It's such a transparent lie that anyone with a lick of common sense can see through it. For anyone even on the fence, this is the foot in the door: Allow them the ability to track you 'for the children' and they will track you for the corporation as well, and the government, and your ex-boyfriend who is now a cop.

Fight this shit.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

If nothing else the fall in birth rates world-wide will lead to political instability.

If they can maintain the infrastructure of wealth without workers they won't care what people do, and if they can't then the surveillance will collapse with the supply chains.

Either way there is an other side to this dark tunnel, not without suffering and death, but there is still hope for resistance to the new facism.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Never say never. AI was made by humans, and anything made by humans can be defeated by humans. I used to think a lot of cybersec hacking crap was pure fiction until as late as 2020 when I saw so many real hacks that put most cyberpunk films to shame. And since then it is even more.

[–] hotdogcharmer@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

Sam Altman belongs in prison. His machine encouraged and guided a child to kill themselves. His machine actively stopped that child seeking outside help. Sam Altman belongs in prison. Sam Altman does not need another $20,000,000,000,000. He needs to go through the legal system and be sentenced and sent to prison because his machine pushed a child to suicide.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

No pls look at the machine not the humana. It's the machine bro it wants to exterminate humanity bro I promise. Don't actually target the humans which actually care about consequences and can be held accountable and punished.

Pla blame the evil machine bro. It's satan or something.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

He's pretty untouchable.

Every government thinks AI is the next gold/oil rush and whoever gets to be the "AI country" will become excruciatingly rich.

That's why they're being given IP exemptions and all sorts of legal loopholes are being attempted/ set up for them.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah... whatever this is doesn't care if you're seeking to kill yourself, but does care if you ask something that isn't state sanctioned.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

That is one of the fundamental flaws of machine learning like this, the way they are trained means they end up always trying to agree with the user, because not doing so is taken as being a "wrong" answer. That is why they hallucinate answers too - because "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer, but generating something plausible that the user takes as truth works.
You then have to manually try to reign them in and prevent them from talking about things you don't want them to, but they are trivially easy to fool. IIRC, in one of these suicide cases the LLM did refuse to talk about suicide, until the user told it it was all just for a fictional story. And you can't really "fix" that without completely banning it from talking about those things in every single occasion, because someone will find a way around it eventually.

And yeah, they don't care, because they are essentially just predictive text algorithms turned up to 11. Chatbots like ChatGPT and other LLMs are an excellent application of both meanings of the word "Artificial Intelligence" - they emulate human intelligence by faking being intelligent, when they in reality are not.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You must have used ChatGPT a lot to say this, because that's completely false. There are safeguards for both things

[–] hotdogcharmer@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

And that is because they get their vast, innumerable sums of digital money from world governments! Human people are allowing an advertising and surveillance tool to Wormtongue its way into their heads and their lives because it breathlessly encourages and agrees with everything they think.

I just don't believe that our perceptions and ability to handle enthusiastic sycophantic agreement is evolved enough yet to combat something like this. I could see it being intoxicating to anyone for everything they say to be agreed with, confirmed, and called genius. I don't necessarily blame the people falling for it (though I do think adults who fall for it are a bit sad and need to grow up a bit), but it's definitely going to be massively convenient for governments to have their citizens just voice everything they're thinking.

Sort of like Minority Report but everybody says their own future crimes outright to a little robot butler instead.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago

do you mean to tell me that a service provider is cooperating with authorities? holy garbage crab

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 0 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I asked chatgpt some spicy questions a long time ago (on the order of months), and it was about privacy questions and maintaining privacy online. I even asked it how to keep private from itself. I deleted that account many months ago and it was not immediately linked to my 'real' identity. I've also asked it some other spicy questions about stuff I won't reveal here. Again. Months ago, and by it's own admission if something is reported, it will be acted upon almost immediately. If something is super illegal (as in, I want to kill so-and-so individual) it not only reports it for immediate review but also reports the relevant law enforcement right away.

Chatgpt told me this.

The only way to use chatgpt if you must is with A: a throwaway email (must be reusable) such as those on darknet emails or something that doesnt link it to you by name (such as proton or tutamail). B: over the Tor network.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

The only way to use chatgpt if you must is

-To use it over API.

Or, preferably, literally any other LLM API that isn't such a censored privacy nightmare.

The problem here is that most percieve ChatGPT as the only chatbot in existance... It's not, not even close.

Also, ChatGPT is really bad at spitting out its own policy, FYI. expect it to randomly hallucinate stuff.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Please tell me how to do it over an API. I really want to know.

Edit. I have LM studio and downloaded AI chatbots. But they give far more bullshit than chatgpt (which i rarely use much anyway), which is why talking to it feels even more pointless than chatgpt at times.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago)

I am on mobile and can be more detailed later, if you want but the jist is to sign up (with a payment method) to some API service. There are many. Some neat ones include:

  • Openrouter (a gateway to many, many models from many providers, I’d recommend this first)
  • Cerebras API (which is faster than anything and has a generous free tier)
  • Google Gemini, which is free to just try this out on with no credit card.

Some great models to look out for, that you may not know of:

  • GLM 4.5 (my all-around favorite)

  • Deepseek (and its uncensored finetunes)

  • Kimi

  • Jamba Large

  • Minimax

  • InternLM for image input

  • Qwen Coder for coding

  • Hermes 405B (which is particularly ‘uncensored’)

  • Gemini Pro/Flash, which is less private but free to try.

Most (in exchanges for charging pennies for each request) do not log your prompts. If you are really, really concerned, you can even rent your own GPU instance on demand.

Anyway, they will give you a key, which is basically a password.

Paste that key into the LLM frontend of your choice, like Open Web UI, LM Studio, or even web apps like:

Or even the Openrouter web interface.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

Char GPT told you what you asked it to tell you. It has no awareness of itself or ita processes outside the context window.

You're anthropomorphizing de machine.

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