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The evolution of Bethesda's Fallout (lemmy.world)
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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Fallout 3: Find and disappoint your father.

Fallout 4: Find and disappoint your son.

Fallout 76: Find and disappoint your audience.

Edit: I forgot about New Vegas.

Fallout New Vegas: Find your attempted killer and be disappointed knowing Obsidian won't make another one because Emil and Todd are salty.

Or... Find your attempted killer and disappoint the NCR, Mr. House, Caesar, or all of them.

Edit 2: Throwback time!!!

Fallout 1: Find your water chip and disappoint your overseer.

Fallout 2: Find the G.E.C.K. and disappoint your village.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I played 76 a few years after it came out and I thought it was super fun. Idk if it was way worse when it came out or if my standards are just shit but me and my wife loved it

[–] msage@programming.dev 12 points 3 days ago

They went back on a lot of decisions after the release.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly, I tried it with mates well after release, and it was really grindy and boring. The few quests we did had too much padding and lifeless NPCs, even if the environments were neat. And we were all big BGS fans since Oblivion, yet not overly nostalgic over the old games or anything.

I will say coop always makes games more fun, and AAA tends to skip this.

But there's also a lot of really awesome 2P coop these days.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah idk it was fun because I got to play with my wife and it felt enough like fallout four that it felt like playing that together.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Y'all should try split fiction too!

I mean, I guess there are a lot of options depending on what else yall enjoy playing, but its a high fidelity, fast paced, and good one for sure.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

With the right crew it can be fun

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was way worse for a year or so

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I heard. What was so bad about it?

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Consistent crashing, tons of lag, and lots of additions from BGS that were two steps back for every step forward. Think about what it would be like if half the players at the SBQ disconnected in the fight and make them 4-5 times stronger than when they were last I played (when expeditions were released).

Then you would have quests that gave atoms, the currency you give IRL money to get, that were literally unachievable. The camera ones were the best as they ran for weeks with no camera being available in the game.

There was a raid. Almost no one could do it. The game either crashed or people rage quit.

I wont even talk about Nuclear Winter.

The game is a miracle for what it is but it took a while to be acceptable. Loved the game at one point but now it is too much a reminder of COVID shutdowns.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago

Ah makes sense. Thank you.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I love the game too, but I'm not going to deny many were disappointed.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

New Vegas:

Find that motherfucker that failed to permanently put you in a grave.

... You can kill him, eat him, fuck him, scare him into slavery, replace him at his job... potentially all of those in the same play through, I think?

I am probably missing some.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Close enough.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At least Fallout season 2 will be in New Vegas instead of the east coast

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

1 - The first season was already in the south west US, as with... every Fallout game not made by Bethesda.

2 - They are almost certainly going to retcon large elements of New Vegas' plot and world elements out of existence or into nonsense, as the first season already did with a whole bunch of shit.

They couldn't even put Shady Sands on the right spot on a map.

They already broke Mr. House's character and backstory by including him in that rountable corpo discussion.

His... and New Vegas' backstory in the game are based on House more or less hating all other corpo leaders, determing via statistical modelling that nuclear was was inevitable... and then doing everything he could to build a goddamned ICBM defense shield for Vegas.

He had to act solo precisely because he was kept out of the inner circle of corpos and gov high ups who were much more in the knoe, by the older canon.

But more fundamentally... House has spent almost 200 years looking for the platinum chip, because he was just a few days late in having it delivered, pre-apocalypse.

Why and or how could that possibly happen if he was in the meeting that decided to end the world?

New Vegas as a storyline is literally irreconcilable with the TV show already, its like shitty fan fiction.

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I will die on the hill that says Fallout New Vegas is the best goddamn Fallout game to exist and to ever exist

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

fallout shelter clears new vegas in every measure

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Fallout Shelter is the goat

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

bites his tongue so hard he can taste blood

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sorry I should have clarified, Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout game AFTER Bethesda bought out Black Isle Studios. Devs from Black Isle helped on NV thats why it was so good!

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If I had all that money in the world I would buy the rights to Friends and New Vegas and send Pinkerton agents after anyone who held an unauthorized copy. I'd then burn every single fucking one of them.

Luckily I do not have the money so the game continues to exist and I just sit in the corner, never opening my mouth because most people would try to kill me the second they I say that New Vegas bored me worse than Twilight.

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean I wouldn't kill you if it bored you it bored you! That's fair game, not everyone is going to like the same shit and if anyone's gets anymore than the tiny bit heated for you saying New Vegas is boring then they need to come off the internet. The internet, should be about expressing opinions and free speech, while others propose an agreement or disagreement but only in a manner of conversation. Never in a manner of 'I'm better than you' or 'you must be stupid because I don't agree with you'. So all in all, I love New Vegas, but if you dont that's fine. Plus the first part made me laugh for the first time today so go you!

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Said to a buddy the other day that New Vegas is my least favorite game and his instant response was "We can't be friends anymore". Had the same convo with someone else yesterday too and the same response.

Like NV is fine. I have no issue with the game itself, there's nothing wrong with it, its just not my thing. I liked Fallout 3 and 4 because I like sorting through the ruins of civilization and putting together the pieces of what happened. But New Vegas is settlements and civilizations and factions and conversations as far as the eye can see. Fallout 76 was too balanced towards having nothing in it and Fallout New Vegas was balanced towards having too much for me. And it's not like I didn't play NV. I got a couple hundred hours in it and have done my fair share of fuckery. I've been beaten by the old ladies with rolling pins (THAT, I fully admit, got me hard) I've exploded a motel ladies head from a dude inside of a dinosaur, I went to far off casinos but meh.

Also, and I will die on this hill specifically, Fallout 3 had a better musical selection than New Vegas did. At least for me. 95% of the GNR music I can bop along to but I'm constantly changing stations in NV to escape westerns.

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

See I can totally respect and understand you!

It frustrates me when people form an opinion based on zero experience. How would they know they do or not like it if they haven't tried? But you have and you've gave it a fair whack by the sounds of it. And I totally get the overwhelming sensation NV can give you, after hundreds of hours I know the feeling. Fallout 3 was special for me as its the first one I played and I really enjoyed it, I felt NV did a better job, for me though. However 4, I think is a different ballpark because it skips a lot of the core elements of both of those games a wittles it down to be able to suit a more, easiest way to say it, 'dumbed down audience' and I think it was marketed wrong. I don't know if you've ever tried it but I had 1000x more fun in 4 when I didn't follow any quest or map markers or storylines. I got out the vault and just went a explored and I treated it as I was roleplaying ad an explorer. I see a building, I think oh I'll go look at that that looks cool. And I enjoyed it so much more cause I played it without stress of the storyline but I enjoyed just searching around and seeing what I could find and there were so many parts I hadn't explored before! In that aspect, from an exploration point of view, I really enjoyed 4.

Also the old ladies and the roling pins, you ain't alone....awful that I know exactly what you mean haha

Also massive preach, NV has nothing on the F3 & F4 soundtracks. And 76, I played an hour or two so I can't really comment.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm just laughing over the downvotes. See exactly what I mean? People cannot handle a differing opinion. I said nothing about NV being objectively worse, just why I don't like it but nah. Not good enough. How fragile and insecure some people are would be truly side-splittingly hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

I prefer 3 and 4 to NV any day of the week but... 4? It's a worse game than any of the others by every margin. How I do play it is exactly how you described. I go and explore. There's a lot less overall civilization and basically the same thing as 3 when it came to hyper simple factions. But my focus is always that exploration. It's why I like Oblivion and Skyrim too. That same feel of wonder and awe of getting to explore something and not knowing what treasures or terrors you may find.

76 I played a very very small amount because I just don't dig MMORPGs in general. Feels like my impact doesn't change the world as much as you see it in single players. Can't say much in the run of music or anything else there either. But I did like being able to wander around and find new things when I was first playing it.

And the music... yeah. Bingo bango bingo he don't wanna leave the congo oh no no no no nooooooooooooooooooooo

[–] ritten@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Mental...people are just wet wipes but hey ho. Everyone's entitled to whatever opinion they want, being able to communicate effectively and understand other opinions though is the kicker.

Oblivion and Skyrim are my G's! I've spent so many hours on them and its exactly how I play them! Especially Skyrim, the wow factor does die after a while but I lowkey roleplay it sometimes and just go for a wander or a walk through an unknown fantasy universe wondering what's beyond the corner. It makes it 10x more interesting and its how I think they should have marketed Fallout 4. 10x better as a exploration game than a RPG.

Maybe one day I'll try 76, just to explore a new environment created by Bethesda but its not at the top of my list, same as ESO. Gave that up straight away. Ahhh yes the musiccc, brings me back

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah I agree Fallout 2 is nominally better.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago

They needed to write 71 plots in between, what do you expect?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The Fallout 4 intro and main story still irks me.

It wa really hard having fun ripping through the wasteland as the ugliest self-indulgent chaotic-evil idiot savant I could be, while knowing the backstory is from perfect picket fences and I could lecture Dominic Torreto on family.

"You need to find your son!"

"Uuuugh, do I have to? You can have him."

I was so uninvested.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I won't even play the game without modding it, and first in line is always Start Me Up. You can write your own story about who you are and it converts all the Sean quests into "find this dead guy's kid." So much better.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Oh, that's cool. That rnlght be worth a reinstall once I finish my current games... IF I can make it out of Nexus with under 15 mins browsing mods and not picking up any that CTD and take an hour to isolate and remove lol

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

I just pretended none of the boring shit happened and pawned off my wedding rings to get more jet

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Find wotr

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Controversial opinion. Out of the three, I deem Fallout 76 the best. xD

It's all the wackiness of Fallout made into a game and I love it, and it's goddamn beautiful.

Fallout 3...I finished it but it was more out of obligation to myself. Fallout 4 is lukewarm, like, all parts of it are okay...ish...but the amount of lost potential hurts. And fuck dialog circles. And shallowing R in RPG.

And I guess due to that, there wasn't much to overcome for F76. It has fuller building system than F4. While it lacks depth in quests, it does lore building quite well, and is goddamn beautiful.

And no, I don't really interact with the online part too much except collecting and selling furniture schematics to newbies at a discount.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My issue with 76 is that due to the nature of it having to be on a multiplayer server at all times, there was no permancence to anything.

For example, when I would base build in FO4, I could spend some time clearing out the surrounding area of hostiles and be confident that it would stay clear for a least a good while. It's how you survive. If I complete a quest, I get the reward and move forward in my plotline.

The first time I tried 76, I popped my base down without realizing I was accidentally within trigger range of one of the random quests that exist (Robots taking over a greenhouse or some shit), and literally every time I loaded up into the game, the exact same quest would trigger, because it has to. That's how 76 works.

So I moved my base, except this time I cleared out a small group or raiders that had set up camp just a little ways down the road, and wouldn't you know it...they respawn every...single...time I load the game.

That's just how 76 is designed to work. Other than the main plot quests that are "instanced", meaning that you complete them and it goes away, literally everything else, from fetch quests, to raider camps, to robots and monsters, to clearing out buildings all respawn and there's nothing you can do to have some sense of permanence in your little settlement.

That's not Fallout, that's just a shooter.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ayy, that's valid ^^

However, Fallout 4 also worked like that, unless you dislike it for that too. Clean the quarry near Sanctuary, boom, they move back in. Clear bandits on the entrance to Boston, boom, they move back in. I found that irksome and never did the quary quest due to that xD

Fallout 3 and New Vegas were more permament...or I remember wrongly. ^^'

But personally after I learned that I adapted and I don't find this that irksome, if anything, I find it adding some weird quality to the game. Like yeah, you cleared the bandits but even lorewise everywhere are notes suggesting that bandits also clear bandits all the time. Bots you mentioned have literally auto message cause Responders couldn't get them to work properly. But again, I do feel ya ^^'

Overall I would absolutely love if Beth made a Fallout with the views and building depth of F76, with building scope of F4 and story depth of F:NV.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Yes. It's natural that in a vacuum, raiders would eventually move in. But not the same raiders. And not every time you boot up the game.

It would be akin to in Fallout 4 clearing out the wreck of the USS Riptide so that you can secure your path across the bridge (I think there's something like 6 or seven raiders including one in power armour). And then having to clear it all again, including the guy in power armour, every time you boot up the game and want to cross the bridge.

I would expect eventually, a new raider or two might try to make the Riptide their home, but not immediately, and not the same exact spawn.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So many problems with that game though.

The first was the camera and its quests. You had dailies and weeklies for like 6 weeks before you could even find the camera in game. Once they added it the camera was nearly impossible to find.

Great for what it is but what it is isn’t great.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, that's early part of it, no? When they released it, I steered clear - bought it relatively recently, what, maybe year ago? Everybody knew it was dogshit early ^^' Hell, let's not remind ourselves about their launch xD

Right now they rework a lot of it and goddamn I love the reworks. Fun seeing them iterate through feedback. I mean, one would think that Bethesda isn't one to learn yet here we see it in real time xD

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Hey some of us got in waaay too early