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But I've got at least 20 replies to my comments that Ukraine is self sufficient and capable funding the war solo!

[–] huf@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

with what industry lol, they just pissed away whatever pittance of an industry europe had left.

i guess they could rebuild that industry, but that'd require them to stop being neoliberals, since those will never ever build anything, they'll just privatize and financialize until the system chokes on its own vomit.

[–] Skua@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Five of the world's ten biggest arms exporters are in the EU. France alone exported more than either Russia or China did last year.

[–] Dreyns@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then stop cowarding and buy the best équipements and not what the us lobbies you into buying ! Rafale > any US fighter

[–] F04118F@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with you per se (though Eurofighter and Gripen are good too), but I have to point out that the Czech Republic has been using Saab Gripens for a while now, not US-made fighter jets.

[–] Dreyns@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Yup and it's great ! But i'm referencing to a particular case were they did two set of tests cause the rafale was better in every category than it's us counterpart, and in the second test they just made it so the critera were like : "does the name begins by F ?"

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What makes the Rafale so superior in your opinion?

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most tests that were conducted by countries looking for a new fighter jet came to this conclusion. Ultimately though the decision was always made by ignoring the test, arguing that it needs US nuke capability, or tailoring the test so only the f35 can win.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Can you point us somewhere, where we can read more about it?

[–] Dreyns@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'ts reliable, versatile, and very well modernised, i'm not a mechanics but i've hear and read a lot of things comparing various planes and it just stood on top most of the time. You have access to trials set by governments to decide wich plane to buy, and it compares most of the most recents fighters if you're interested.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok, if this is public information- go ahead.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Look up about Switzerland buying F35 when their specs and their own assessment were telling them to buy the Rafale.
Oh and also the population wanted to buy Rafales and not F35.