I've lived in New England most of my life, and most other posters have covered the major points. One I would add is that the weather IS getting more extreme here, and we are now getting things like tornados and worse hurricanes. It's not anything like as bad as other places in the US but climate change is definitely effecting this area too. I would watch out for where you end up being a decent elevation, and give any bodies of water a good amount of space, no houses or apartments right on the edge of a river. There was an unprecedented flood that hit Leominster and Fitchburgh MA not long ago that shocked a lot of people because the region had never experienced something like it. That will probably be happening more often in the coming years.
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I found Nashua NH to be crazy-polite, and me a Canadian. if you end up there, go with my envy.
And if you have to come over the line - legally, please! - then we'd love to have ya. Our national capitol is a crazy melting pot of newcomers, but the flatlander regions have the best opportunities.
...if you can avoid Flatlander Dementia. That's how our Peter Polyestre gets his votes -- the lack of mountains and oceans makes ya crazy!
Depending on what you mean by upstate ny or Maine, some of these areas are short on jobs so make sure you have enough opportunity. If you’re looking for small cities, Albany is great. I think Binghamton is coming back but I don’t know about Syracuse or Rochester. If you’re talking really upstate …. I haven’t been back in years and really miss that l. I don’t know as much about Maine but they’re more tourist oriented, which is a problem this year
It really seems like we get a lot less snow than when I was a kid in upstate ny. It makes not be as much a change as people are claiming
Now I live near Boston, close enough for weather to moderate, and we only get a couple snowstorms a year. We never get accumulation lasting through the winter anymore. This summer I had my AC in non-stop for the heatwaves and humidity, so I very much see the desire to head north
Grew up in NM, moved to Mass about a decade ago and recently to Vermont. I love it. It gets hot though. And cold. And everywhere in between. People claim that folks out here aren’t nice. Never had an issue and frankly never met meaner folk than northern New Mexicans. Be prepared for a preposterously high cost of living though. (Especially Mass).
I grew up there, but spent a long time in Colorado and have a place in northern NM. The snow, cold, all fine all doable, but it's the dark overcast that gets you.
Depending on the region it's a lot more interesting economically- lots of small businesses, plenty of summer activities. It's getting expensive though, for what it offers. I think few people move to New England from outside new England though (except for the important cities). You will certainly get some funny looks when you tell people you moved from Arizona.
I would personally move to a town with a lively population but not a big city. Think Burlington Vermont or Binghamton NY or great Barrington Mass. Definitely different and if you can settle in there probably a better life!
I'm glad you added overcast because here in Europe before we reach the "cold' temperatures, you're dealing with like 4h long daytimes. I'm always amazed when I go to Canada and experience -40°c but still pretty long daytimes.
Oh for sure Europe is maybe worse in this regard. I'm in the south of Europe now but have relatives in Paris and the cold gloom is not something I would like to live with every day. At least along the Mediterranean it's mostly sunny for the short, cold days of winter!
Thank you! This is wonderful advice, and I'll check out these places!
Never lived there but I've visited CT. Went to a movie with my wife. The first Narnia film, so it was like 3 hours long? It was nice when we went in. It was nice when we left. However, during the film there was a blizzard, seemed like it dropped snow a foot deep! That being said, the city had cleared all the roads. They know how to deal with the snow. Of course when you get to side streets it's a bit dicey, but the main roads? Like to our hotel? Clear as you like. The roads are twisty and windy up there, and people drive crazy — well, they drive appropriate to the state of the roads, to be fair — and I never felt unsafe despite being unaccustomed to driving in snow.
Beautiful area. Summers get hot, winters get cold. You gotta plan for each. But it's nice and not too humid.
You’re saying CT isn’t humid?
Insofar as humidity exists everywhere... I suppose it is.
Speaking as somebody who's lived where humidity is stupidly annoying... no, it's not. And those of us who have experienced real humidity love it for that reason. We love getting out of really bad humidity.
I mean, I suppose it could get humid. I've only visited. I also suppose any coastal area could get humid, due to proximity to the ocean. But the South ain't playing when it comes to humidity, and that's what I meant.
Oh gosh, so true. Houston and Austin were terrible!
People are meaner on the East Coast, but they're also more capable.
Plan a winter trip up here and decide how you REALLY feel about snow before you commit to anything.
Truth. I was raised in the deep snow, and when first seeing Bane's iconic line delivered on-screen, I snickered at his puny claim in comparison.
Which line?
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it...."
“Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!”.
A good friend confided in me, "if you're in Ottawa in the winter, and you don't have at least one day each time where you want to just lie down in a ditch and succumb to the cruel hatred of the weather, then you're not really a resident."
And I chuckled. Now I chuckle knowingly.
I have friends with a farm in upstate NY that don't get enough days of sun during the summer to grow tomatoes. That seasonal affective disorder is real. When your whole life has been getting 250-350 days of sun a year, your first winter north of Chicago gets weird. You wonder how people live in the dark, like outdoor mole people.
And Lord have mercy, some of them think salt is spicy. You'll one day have Mexican food so bland you might think you're eating a Play-doh model of an enchilada. The restaurants play to the market. But the beer is good, the seafood is good.
Otherwise, find a town or city that matches your personality and enjoy.
😂 I love this! I do love New Mexican spice so that could be an interesting change!
Before you leave the SW, take a cooking class from some abuela. You'll be glad to share some real food one in a while just to have some yourself.
East of the Mississippi and north of OK, people think all tacos are hard shell, stale-ass Taco Bell abominations. I just can't even sometimes.
people think all tacos are hard shell, stale-ass Taco Bell abominations. I just can't even sometimes.
While you do see some people in the north that can't take spice, this quote is just wrong
There is good Latino food in the midwest and northeast now. Just look for smaller restaurants, or food trucks.
For sure, but when you go to visit lifelong Midwesterners, that's the absolute last place they'll take you.
I think a lot of times that's just lack of familiarity bc the better restaurants are newer.
Beware the chancla! 😱👻
You never know, this might be why OP is moving!
Kinky. 🤪
Sounds like a great market for some good real SW cuisine! And that's a great idea to get classes.
FWIW it's sunnier in New England then in upstate NY, due to proximity to the coast. The couple years I spent in Troy, NY I really noticed (and felt) the tendency to be overcast.
Honestly? I'd recommend the other lateral direction, instead. Northern Oregon & Washington are far better in many (most?) ways and don't seem nearly as risky a bet re: future livability politics-wise. 🤌🏼
Keep in mind that the Pacific Northwest is getting due for the Cascadia earthquake. Based on the historical records have been found it's bad
Could come today, could be another few hundred years but yeah all signs point to it being bad.
Pick your poison. I'd prefer planetary cataclysm vs Nazis 2.0 🤷🏼♂️ Quicker, efficient, decisive.
Well something I have experience in! Nothing prepared me for my first winter. Yes there is snow and it’s cold. The dark is what got me. I would leave for work before the sun came up and it was already setting as I was coming home. It was so deeply unsettling that first winter, like there was no warmth left in the world.
It is a lovely area. It feels so much older because they tend to preserve the historic homes and just driving around through the small rural towns is super cute. Fall is the best season in the NE. The colors are gorgeous! Apple cider donuts are the best donuts, most local orchards make them fresh too.
It’s pretty rural outside of NYC, Maine is especially so. You’ll most likely need a car, even if you’re in a town. The towns are walkable, but they’re small towns so the selection is limited. Getting hooked up with local events can be a challenge as word of mouth is the most common form of promotion. Get in good with your local coworkers or other local groups and they’ll help you find the cool ski deals and niche concerts.
On the whole car thing. Snow ands salt are really hard on cars. The inspection in NE is much more intensive than the SW which only checks emissions. Good tires are worth the investment, but the best method is just don’t drive while it’s snowing. Keep an eye out for black ice, the melting and refreezing is no joke. The people are nice though, had a kind man help pull me out of a snow bank when I made that mistake. If you’re ever unsure just go slow.
Also: NO, 4-WHEEL DRIVE DOESN'T MAKE YOU STOP FASTER IN SNOW. All it does is help you get unstuck if you slide off the road.
If you're driving in winter conditions, you have to drive slower and allow for significantly more distance from the next car forward. Like, actually follow the 3-second rule and then double it. Also, always keep an ice scaper and an emergency blanket in the car. You will need the ice scraper. You hopefully won't need the blanket, but it's better safe than sorry.
I can tell you from experience that you’re not going to escape the heat in upstate NY. The summer temperatures may look cooler than Arizona on paper but the humidity makes things feel so much worse
Live in Chicago and I second this. Everyone always talks about how cold and bitter it is here, but that's much easier to prepare for than the 120F with 90% humidity we sometimes get. Yuk!
You know you're in the Midwest when the mosquitoes treat you like an equal. Prey, sure, but with a neighborly "we're all stuck here, bud" sorta vibe. All 666 trillion of them.
At the moment, if you account for humidity
done via use of a heat index
it's more-comfortable in Arizona than in the Northeast:
https://www.weathercentral.com/weather/us/maps/heat-index
EDIT: For the Europeans, Celsius:
EDIT2: Oooh, here's an interactive world map with a heat index:
https://zoom.earth/maps/temperature-feel/
EDIT3: Oh, wait...nah, those are apparently live temperature maps, not daily high maps. Still toasty in the Northeast, but some of that was just time-of-day.
Imagine living somewhere where you can effectively use a swamp cooler? Of course when the data centers suck out all the water there they'll be expensive to operate as well.
Boston is very expensive. However, there are areas in MA that could/should be affordable.
Of course I'm biased because I've been in this area forever.
We get 4 seasons. I love the colors of Autumn. I enjoy snow, although, we may not get snow at all in the near future.
You've got great beaches on the Atlantic and then some nice skiing up in NH & ME that are only 2 hours away.
Boston area has the best medical care pretty much anywhere on the planet. I've personally transported numerous people from Logan airport to the area hospitals.
Sports? Big history of lots of champions.
Very diverse cultures all around Eastern MA. Very LGBT+ friendly.
People complain about cost of living and tax rates. Yet, the quality is worth it. I don't know the particular tax rates, but, we are definitely not "Taxachusetts" anymore in comparison to all the N.E. states.
I'm somewhat familiar with the rest of N.E., so, feel free to ask.
Boston is so awesome. You didn't mention the museums, historical places, concerts, festivals, theaters, hundreds of little cafes and restaurants, bookstores, art galleries, several dozen universities each with events open to the public. Taking the T (public transportation) over to the Boston Common to see what's going on, then walking through downtown, maybe stop at Fanueil Hall for a snack, then go all the way to the North End to a restaurant. Oh gods I'm homesick and I only lived there like 8 years.