2A is for everyone : liberalgunowners

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know how to handle firearms and I'm somewhat able to hit a target. But oh my god do I not want to use any, for anything.

[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 21 points 1 week ago (10 children)

ideally, you won't have to. Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you. otherwise, make a range buddy?

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm in Germany, I'll only need to use one if Vlad decides to come over.

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[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (6 children)

*paid for by the military industrial complex – commercial consumer division

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Finally, some DEI

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[–] mimic_dev@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Can't do it, my brain is bad

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are there any resources for getting started?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't like reddit anymore, but there's /r/liberalgunowners. I'd suggest taking a safety course, then renting (edit: multiple firearms) at the range, and then buying what you think you need/ like.

Edit: Guy bellow me is also right.

Edit edit: I forgot about this part. You should prepare yourself to spend the amount of money needed to buy an older, used car. It depends on the state, but that was my experience. Around 4k with EVERYTHING involved.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seconded on the safety course. Ask all your questions then, too.

It’s worth mentioning that you should try out a few options before going with the first gun you try. My spread went down by half in a day just by finding the one that fit my hand right.

And lastly, stay in practice. Like anything, if you don’t do it for a while, your skill will plummet. The last thing you want do is try to remember the fundamentals in a life or death situation.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Yup. In a stressful situation, you fall back on muscle memory.

[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Find a local gun store, tell them you're new and want to learn. If they're not in your face with MAGA, they're probably alright. Depending on where you live, you may or may not be able to be discerning with your choice. Most gun stores are gonna lean right. They're not really gonna side with groups that want to reduce their business.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i aint ever seen police shoot tear gas at armed protesters. they left those black panthers alone.

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[+] alekwithak@lemmy.world -6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Tell that to German Jews in the 1930s, I'm pretty sure my great grandparents were armed.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago

There's a lot more to it than that.

There was widespread feeling that if they just went along with it, the Nazis would leave them alone. That was a deadly wrong assumption. There's also factors like having enough able-bodied young adults to do it when there was a need for them to take care of older people.

Forgotten Weapons has a video about a college paper he wrote on the topic. It largely shows that people in the Jewish Ghettos could get crude but workable firearms if they needed, but the factors above tended to get in the way.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As were some of the groups in the Civil Rights movement. There was a group armed and trained by a black WW2 veteran that protected families from retaliation by the KKK for going to desegregated schools. Armed with rifles and machine guns, they would put sandbag emplacements on people's porches to ensure that their kids were safe throughout the night.

Together, monkey strong. When we're divided, it's much easier to silence us one by one. And that doesn't even need guns to be involved in the equation.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

Harder, not impossible.

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[+] the_q@lemmy.zip -23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

2A is a hobby. Y'all aren't protecting a thing.

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think you're missing the point. The vast majority of gun owners will never have to use their firearms in self-defense, that much is true. Most responsible gun owners also hope they never have to. It's also true that the vast majority of people with homeowners insurance will never have their house burn down, yet they still pay their insurance company every month.

Wouldn't you at least like to give yourself a fighting chance in the event that the worst happens?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Just to expand on that, there's value in just having them. The US military has developed anti-insurgent tactics over the past 20 years. One of them is that to occupy an armed populace, they expect to need one soldier for every three civilians in the area. They have to assume everyone is armed and everyone will be against them.

That would mean that if they want to put the US under martial law, they will need to mobilize 25% of the US population into the military directly and expect them to follow orders to the same level of competence as the existing military. This is a pipe dream. Approximately 10% of the US population was uniformed up in WW2, and agreement on the war was nearly universal. The draft existed not so much to get enough people, but to make sure the military could take in people at a sustainable rate without cutting too much into industrial production at home.

All combined, the regular military, the National Guard, and ICE do not have enough people to put the entire country under martial law. They don't even have enough to put New York under martial law. They might have enough for Vermont. The ICE recruiting surge won't change this.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

They might have enough for Vermont.

The Green Mountain Boys, the long-standing Vermont secessionist movement, and a bunch of deer-hunting farmers with generations of familiarity with the land and a massive "mind your own goddamn business" attitude have entered the chat.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ever study Black Panther tactics? They were so effective that they changed the rules to make their tactics illegal.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So why are we being governed by fascists?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

See many leftists open carrying?

[–] chonkyninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago

It doesn't matter how many leftists actually own guns, because "owning a gun" is a right-wing moniker.

If you see someone with a gun, they must be de facto right-wing.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Your logic is shit, if not intentionally juvenile. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh yeah, the founding fathers just put that one in there for fun...

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They put it in there because a well-regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state. Well, we have a military now - by far the largest in the world, in fact.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No they put it in there because slave owners were scared about slave rebellions. But let's not let that get in the way of stopping fascists.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

I don't doubt that's part of it, but it's nowhere in the wording.

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Tell us, O' wise one: wtf are you contributing, exactly? 😚

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

it’s a current promise by the powers currently in charge. remember: the constitution is not immutable. learn that now and learn it hard.

2A is important and ownership even as a hobby is still very much important. There is nothing “defensive” about some of my guns, they exist purely to make me laugh.

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