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AI will move past LLMs

We heard the same about Japan.
Soon we'll be hearing about how Nigeria is spending oil money and growing its manufacturing.
Wait till the U.S. finds out about Brazil and its ability to manufacturer.
When the war is over between Ukraine and Russia, you'll have two more countries restarting non-military production.
South Africa is picking up everyday.
If Europe ever manages to dig a tunnel between Spain and Morocco the Iberian peninsula and N.Africa would transform.

Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more, all come with big asterisks attached that make them much more questionable.

Could you give one or two as examples?

We've been hearing about this decades.

Yes, you've been hearind that for decades, just like climate change: if you wait for an abrupt treshold with a clear before/after cut , you're going to wait for a while.

China has developed an advanced high speed trains network. You have no idea how much US looks backward on that.

China still opens coal burning power plants, jut also a very large number of renewable and nuclear power plants. They're serious about electrification.

They took the lead in scientific publication.

US needs to put up tariffs to protect its car makers from being wiped out by Chinese ones. Western car makers rely more and more on Chinese batteries suppliers.

All the signs are there. You just need to ackowledge them.

People underestimate just how corrupt, dysfunctional, and incompetent the Chinese system is under the CCP.

As compared to what? In the US, corruption is legal, it's called campaign donation and SuperPAC. At this stage, elections pick which pack of oligarchs will rule: GOP donators or Dems donators.

If the system is so much better, where are the high speed trains, advanced power grid, decarbonation plan, school that can get high potentials to the top, decent healthcare system?

Where are the fruits of this less corrupt dysfunctional and incompetent system?

China's isolation give it the illusion that it's better, but in reality, it's even worse.

Alother delusion from local US news. China is not that isolated, they have developed deep relations with a number of countries in Africa and middle east, and they're a privileged trade partner with many more. Worse even: with the current US policy of tariffs, several countries that were reluctant to have deeper ties with China are pushed in their arms.

Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more, all come with big asterisks attached that make them much more questionable.

Meaning what? Their high speed trains are absolutely working. In large cities, half of the cars in the street are electric cars, majority from domestic brands and a few Tesla. They have very advanced and very cheap mass transit networks.

As I was saying: it's just like global warming: if you sit and wait claiming it's not really happening and/or not that bad, you're totally unprepared when disasters hit you.

The only thing I will agree with you here is their emonomy is not half as great as they want to claim. The estate market has been in a free fall in all but the big 4 cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Guandong, Shenzhen).

But if the US wants to be the first power of the rest of the 21st century world, they need to wake up!

Brother it sounds like you underestimate what industrializing the largest population on earth looks like. It's not just happening, it's kinda inevitable.

Wow some real critical thinking on Lemmy for once. Thank you! I swear Lemmy is run by propaganda/tin foil hat wearers spewing so much bs rather than remembering were all suffering together at the expense of a few rich people world wide.

China leads the world in scientific publication, even when only taking into account reputable journals and high-impact publications. There's no doubt in my mind the US will decline further with the current attacks on science and education, and anti-intellectualism in general.

Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real. You don't need to believe any propaganda, just travel and observe.

The asterisks are not about their usecase but political.

The big difference that I see is that they investes in people for a long while now. They did what they can so people can get a decent education. That's also the reason why they don't allow kids to use tiktok and so on - it's hindering the next generation's ability to think. They know that you need many intelligent people to drive whatever other innovation you want to have later. That's why they're pulling ahead so fast while we are collapsing. I am not even living in the US, but even here the education system is crumbling.

The west has trapped itself in the thought of technology without people. The idea that few clever people can design perfect systems that drive everything for us. That we just need to support those few individuals to get maximum return. China is supporting the broad masses. It's like creating a fertile soil.

Who knows what all the asterisks are causing in the future. But at the moment it's just no comparison. We've gone backwards, while they're so far ahead we barely see them.

It's also coming from "AI Experts", so who cares what they have to say. The real question is, what's their angle by saying this?

The US is very much on the decline, and thanks to the poorly thought out One Child policy- China has also likely past it’s apex. But like the US, it too can cause a lot of damage during its downfall.

India, thanks to burgeoning population and rapid industrialisation is probably the most notable nation currently ‘on the rise’.

Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more

I see.

We think changes happen overnight but rise and fall of a power is typically a slowburn.

But you have so many obese guy fart videos to choose from now.

Further, fear mongering about China's data center/powergrid infrastructure superiority is also the PERFECT excuse techbros need to rationalize building data centers in parts of the US that are in desperate shortage of water for human beings and with precarious electrical grids that are ready to fail in the middle of the next heatwave.

The US is essentially in a second Civil War and this will be one of the main methods in which people are killed, i.e. purposefully setting up the conditions for people to die in a heat wave and have no water so they are desperate... and the only way people in the US are going to stomach it is if they have been truly convinced they have to accept these brutal conditions "because we are hopelessly behind China and we can't afford to stop building data centers!!".