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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The first country to adopt LLMs for everything is the one that will collapse first. This is a race where the winners never start and at best stop before they reach the end.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Maybe. Could also be that humans never invent anything that comes close to a biological brain. Either because we simply aren't smart enough, or because civilization regresses before we get there. And there's several trends going on currently which could cause civilization to regress. For example, climate change and declining birth rates (While we could set up an economic system that can deal with a shrinking and aging population, our current one cannot).

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

I am very skeptical of any article that boldly claims that China is on the rise and the US is in decline. We've been hearing about this decades. People underestimate just how corrupt, dysfunctional, and incompetent the Chinese system is under the CCP. People think the US is worse only because the US is an open country. China's isolation give it the illusion that it's better, but in reality, it's even worse. Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more, all come with big asterisks attached that make them much more questionable.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Brother it sounds like you underestimate what industrializing the largest population on earth looks like. It's not just happening, it's kinda inevitable.

[–] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 hours ago

The big difference that I see is that they investes in people for a long while now. They did what they can so people can get a decent education. That's also the reason why they don't allow kids to use tiktok and so on - it's hindering the next generation's ability to think. They know that you need many intelligent people to drive whatever other innovation you want to have later. That's why they're pulling ahead so fast while we are collapsing. I am not even living in the US, but even here the education system is crumbling.

The west has trapped itself in the thought of technology without people. The idea that few clever people can design perfect systems that drive everything for us. That we just need to support those few individuals to get maximum return. China is supporting the broad masses. It's like creating a fertile soil.

Who knows what all the asterisks are causing in the future. But at the moment it's just no comparison. We've gone backwards, while they're so far ahead we barely see them.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 12 points 8 hours ago

China leads the world in scientific publication, even when only taking into account reputable journals and high-impact publications. There's no doubt in my mind the US will decline further with the current attacks on science and education, and anti-intellectualism in general.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 17 points 9 hours ago

Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real. You don't need to believe any propaganda, just travel and observe.

The asterisks are not about their usecase but political.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago

The US is very much on the decline, and thanks to the poorly thought out One Child policy- China has also likely past it’s apex. But like the US, it too can cause a lot of damage during its downfall.

India, thanks to burgeoning population and rapid industrialisation is probably the most notable nation currently ‘on the rise’.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's also coming from "AI Experts", so who cares what they have to say. The real question is, what's their angle by saying this?

[–] TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

To justify pouring trillions of dollars into AI in the US. Oh, and you're thirsty, so sorry, databank needs your water.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Or looking to suck up the the CCP and get paid to move their operations to China.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

Every major Chinese achievement from their mass transit system to their big corporations to their economic growth to them pulling ahead technologically to so many more

I see.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

We think changes happen overnight but rise and fall of a power is typically a slowburn.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 25 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Good, fuck the AI industry, we can’t even go to the doctor over here

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

But you have so many obese guy fart videos to choose from now.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Blessed be the Temu empire

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 49 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

I don't really give a shit about the AI race and I genuinely hope that we lose it, because I feel like being a winner in that "industry" is inherently unsustainable.

The AI hype is so infuriatingly frustrating.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

I hope we loose it so we can get humbled. But if we loose, knowing how we are, we'll likely invent a reason to go to war and steal their talent.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 1 points 8 hours ago

I have found one use for generative AI that I have liked. I've thrown it at aggravating searches for me.

Use case example: I stopped traveling across the country and got a job at one location. It's across the city. I'd like to find an electric bike to get there. The location is 12 miles away as the crow flies. Unfortunately my city is absolute crap at any kind of non-car transportation so it needs to get myself up to 40 mph at minimum. Honestly if I'm going that speed, I'd like a scooter like the a burgman. Trouble is "scooter" runs the gambit from competing to motorcycles like the Burgman, to little ones like the Vespa, and stand up ones like you see dumped all over cities downtown. Electric motorcycles start getting into "I might as well buy a new motorcycle" prices.

Alright, I do a search for electric scooter, I get all standing scooters. I've attempted changes and maybe find a sitting one that is made for not getting over 25 mph. Finally getting frustrated I remembered one of my younger coworkers talking about using AI for searches, fine... ten minutes later I had a series of results of bike that fit my criteria as well as small little dealers across the city that DuckDuckGo nor Google bothered to pull up, and that's with me specifically asking for links because I didn't want made up bullshit.

Now if we get to the point of AI becoming overlords, I'm sure I'm going to be among the first against the wall because the first couple searches of it not getting things right involved me calling it a dumbshit so...

So yea... that's my territory of using an AI, it's a better search engine for weird esoteric shit... I kind of wish it wasn't an app or a website because if it was a physical device I'd have it next to a hammer which I guess shows how much I trust it.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 28 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Further, fear mongering about China's data center/powergrid infrastructure superiority is also the PERFECT excuse techbros need to rationalize building data centers in parts of the US that are in desperate shortage of water for human beings and with precarious electrical grids that are ready to fail in the middle of the next heatwave.

The US is essentially in a second Civil War and this will be one of the main methods in which people are killed, i.e. purposefully setting up the conditions for people to die in a heat wave and have no water so they are desperate... and the only way people in the US are going to stomach it is if they have been truly convinced they have to accept these brutal conditions "because we are hopelessly behind China and we can't afford to stop building data centers!!".

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I just want anyone else to win. All the things. I want US Hegemony to end. At any cost. If that's AI then good.

I hate this country the way Saw Gerrera hates the empire.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

AI is not the panacea they're making it out to be. This article is attempting to influence readers to support American AI business models to 'complete' with China. Except that AI doesn't make my job easier and is very bad for the environment.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

In my case, AI assistants are even confusing and annoying, but since they cannot be turned off, in my case I have to endure it.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Given that part of my job is evaluating applicants' ability to do the job, and given that LLMs are very good at answering the sort of questions many people ask in interviews, AI is making my job significantly harder.

If someone could make a prompt that actually made an LLM write good code, I wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

It's only made worse by the people who treat it like the Master Computer from Star Trek, claim that it can solve all the problems, and thus attempt to shove it into anything and everything.

It's baffling why my notepad needs to be hooked up to an LLM in the first place. It's a notepad, for quick scribbling. If people want to write something serious in it, there are far better things for that.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Good, let the Chinese have this demonic technology currently only good for mass surveillance.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

So, a few months ago China launched Deepseek and the narrative on US media was all "the fact they didn't have access to the latest Nvidia GPUs forced them to get creative and develop a model that is more efficient and cheaper".

Now the US is getting behind on "AI wars" because China has more energy for huge data centers?

How about the US get creative and develop LLMs that are actually useful and can work without sucking Gigafucks of electricity?

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

china has also been investing in solar for decades since the us gave up on it and became the leader

[–] 404UsernameNotFound@lemmy.wtf 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

To be fair in 2024, China's electricity supply was primarily based on coal and renewable energy sources, with coal accounting for the largest share at approximately 57.77 percent. Renewable energy, including hydropower, contributed around 20.27 percent. Nuclear energy played a relatively minor role at about 4.47 percent. So it's mostly coal power plants in used for AI in China.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago

Percentage dont make sense when the OP posted a out solar leadership. Raw numbers is where it's at.

The OP did not show where AI and solar intersect, because in power supply they do not. AI power infra is mostly reliant on hydro and coal

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago

53.2% coal, ~20% renewables. Not disagreeing, just adding context.

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enough talk already i wish the us empire would just hurry up and actually collapse.

[–] CubitOom 73 points 1 day ago (16 children)

The race to have the magic box that tells you lies that you want to hear while also consuming incredible amounts of resources...why is this a race again?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Don’t worry. They’ll just ask AI about the grid and it will tell them how great it is.

Edit: or it’ll say FEED ME MORE!

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 235 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Gotta hand it to the fossil fuels industry, they got what they wanted and their propaganda worked.

And now Americans have a janky grid, slower / more expensive transportation, and bigger power bills.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism doesn't solve for society, it solves for capital.

There is no profit in making the world a better place.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago

It turns out that there is a lot of profit in making the world a worse place.

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