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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”

John Steinbeck, "Grapes of Wrath"

[–] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh yeah, the attribution fell off when copy-pasting

[–] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thought I recognised it. Crazy how relevant it still is.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's relevant for as long as capitalism is relevant because this is what is required to keep an economy motored by the profit motive going.

[–] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange

Yes unfortunately so. If the system values profit over life, then profit will always be the priority. Even if that leads to (and encourages) acts of inhumanity.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The reason the system values profit over life is because it requires profit to survive. No profit, no capitalism. This is why the people that keep trying to reform capitalism have failed for almost 200 years now, there is no reforming the profit motive away from capitalism.

Capital does not consist in the fact that accumulated labour serves living labour as a means for new production. It consists in the fact that living labour serves accumulated labour as the means of preserving and multiplying its exchange value.

Karl Marx, "Wage Labour and Capital"

[–] prex@aussie.zone 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

Have you seen the cost of the figs???

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

True… we’re not even feeling sorry for people starving half as much as hoarders

There’s enough hoarders that We have shows about hoarders.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

The only hoarders that need to be scrutinized are the ones hoarding money

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 22 hours ago

The worst hoarders are the financial hoarders. If someone hoards cats, or old rusty cars, or newspapers, etc., someone gets them psychiatric help.

But if you have a compulsion to hoard money to the point that it is having a negative effect on the entire nation, or even the planet, then they get celebrated as a successful businessperson, and the government shovels even more of our hard-earned money at them.

I'm tired of supporting mentally-ill money hoarders. Take their money away, and medicate them.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago

Even worse we actively try to make sure they don't go to our country, because we all know how much we did to become part of our own country (this is sarcasm because we did nothing at all, being born is not something we chose to do)

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Well, we also haveMy 600lb Life. So checkmate?

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The right given by the "democratic" capitalist state to own the means of production is the root cause of this problem

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I love the quotation marks here. We have two parties that are both team stock-market/GDP, and there is no third option: we can hardly be called a democracy.

I mean, between our FPTT voting system, the electoral college and rampant gerrymandering we have absolutely no right to call ourselves a democracy.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

And the worst part of it is that I wouldn't even want to be slacking off all day. I want to do so many things, and I would do it if I weren't being paid! Fuck!

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 103 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Only 8 dudes but we as 300M+ can’t even come together and depose them

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Half of them praise those 8 men tho. So you're 150M of individuals vs 150M of individuals and $3T

[–] M137@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah, yes, this is only about 'Murica.

Someone says something that applies to the world, 'murica brain can't comprehend that they aren't the only ones.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 1 day ago (5 children)

though if you stopped working hard, foreigners would come and take your job, and then take your kitchen and land. (they come regardless, no worries, but they'd come faster.)

on top of that, what's the point of life without adventure and progress? we make great progress through your suffering, so heads up, the 40 hour work week is worth something. also, capitalism is a natural structure based on people's greed, and you can't abolish the capitalists because they will simply be replaced by other capitalists.

signed, your friendly capitalist :)


no but seriously ... it drained my soul somewhat to write this. i wish so fucking much for a 20 hour work week or less.

[–] polderprutser@feddit.nl 37 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I honestly don't mind working a lot, as long as it benefits EVERYBODY and not just a handful of hoarders. I love improving things for others.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I just don’t want my healthcare tied to a fucking job. Then I could actually work whatever, whenever, and how long I want to.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love teaching for this reason. At least when it’s not administrative bullshit, “fill out the forms for this miraculous new program,” but the actual interacting with and helping young people grow. If I get my third job I’ll be doing that 7 am - 8 pm basically 7 days a week, but I’m okay with that. Sitting next to a kid and getting them to understand how imaginary numbers work is the thing that makes me not want to kill myself. Explaining to a high schooler that yes, dinosaurs were real… saying “hey this time of year it’s really easy to see Orion,” or saying “yes I absolutely LOVE Ender’s Game! Let’s talk about foreshadowing in that book!”

It’s bullshit work that kills the soul. I’ll teach until I’m hoarse and be happy to be alive.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 72 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My problem with this is that most people think the solution is to ask politely leveraging peaceful protests and waving signs.

When in reality this has been a popular concept that is protested for the past 100 years with ZERO actual progress, and the real solution to properly implement this kind of generous socialist idea of distribution of wealth and food and shelter with equity requires aggressive rhetoric and likely needs to be enforced with actual violence, otherwise fascism and capitalism will continue to persist for generations.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Peaceful protesting does work. But the sit in and get arrested kind. Waving signs doesn’t do much. People aren’t miserable enough yet to misbehave.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 1 day ago

Also the don't work and grind the economy to a screeching halt kind.

[–] threeonefour@piefed.ca 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Honestly, I think most people don't even see it as a problem. Anyone who is better off than the average person likely doesn't want stuff to get handed out for free. It's easy to think "I struggled to get my stuff and now we're just going to give it out for free!?"

It's like someone finally paying off their student loan after years of thrifty spending and going without and then seeing their classmate who didn't pay a dime towards theirs, instead spending on frivolous luxuries and going on yearly trips, having it forgiven. The person who did things "the right way" feels like they got played.

Unless people who have gone through struggles to improve their situation can avoid feeling slighted, they're unlikely to be supportive of change.

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[–] diptchip@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If only a significant percent of the population didn't feel the need to control other peoples lives.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If people would organise themselves that percent would be powerless.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The people who would do the organizing in this case are going to have a disproportionate amount of power, and since power corrupt, they'll become the new elite.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

So organise in a way that doesn't amass power.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Social organization requires hierarchies, and hierarchies are inherently unequal in terms of power and status.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes, like Greek Democracy only had hierarchies for wars. We most likely haven't already tried all possible forms of social organizations.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

But the rich man's ego of pretending to be a saint by doing charity. THINK OF THEIR FEELINGS!

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Responsibility also lies the people. We have no respect for our belongings, frequently trash working tools, computers and other goods. Replace the old with new, for the sake of keeping up with the times. Even cheap knives and other edged tools can be sharpened thousands of times before requiring replacement. Most are never sharpened at all.

The classic tale of a dining table made to last for generations, paid for by the father, be tossed by the son for something made by Ikea. As a woodworker, ive seen firsthand that the biggest killer of fine, handmade furniture.

It isn't time, it's us.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

But then people might get stuff without working for it! The horror!

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