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Pragmatic Leftist Theory

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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.

Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.

This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.

If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.

Rules:

-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.

-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.

-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago

Most rational accelerationist

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Harris lost, and you still can't realize that your stance caused it. Better to blame the leftists for ... checks notes ... having values that she lacked.

For example, what if she had been anti genocide? That would have been a sight to see.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Harris lost, and you still can’t realize that your stance caused it.

Yes, my stance that the lesser of two evils is lesser than the greater evil is what caused Harris's loss.

Better to blame the leftists for … checks notes … having values that she lacked.

'Leftists' whose 'value' was that Palestinian genocide should receive full support, so they can continue playing campist games over the bodies of as many dead Palestinians as possible?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

God bless single issue voters.

Stepping back to an objective human suffering standpoint, the Trump admin is dismantling environmental protections that would soften the coming climate-collapse holocaust. We've whiplashed back 80+ years and lost decades of institutional knowledge; even physical infrastructure in NASA's case.

This is an issue that objectively has only progressed through D efforts and been defended even through R administrations. Millions of people will needlessly die, particularly those oppressed in the global south, from the actions of this admin. But Genocide Joe was an unpalatable humanitarian choice?

There's no rationality to their stance, they just base their politics on visceral emotional reactions. It's the exact same blind moral purity as pro-birthers and they deserve the same derision.

[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You shouldn't have to vote for evil just because the other side is more evil. Dont get me wrong... I did and will again but I shouldn't have to and I wont fault anyone for not. I have enough people to hate already.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

"Shouldn't have to" in a just world, but we don't live in a just world. Imagine advocating, for example, for the USSR to be abandoned to the Nazis, because the USSR was also a bunch of genocidal imperialist scumbags.

Choosing the lesser evil is not morally optional if your choices are reduced to only evils.

I don't have the 'luxury' of feeling neutrally about people who've very quite possibly fucking killed me in the next few years.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I love that my existence has to be 'earned' according to these people. If Blue Circus isn't entertaining enough to 'earn' their vote, me and everyone else endangered by a fascist administration can go fuck ourselves.

Some of us may die, but that's a sacrifice the Purity Brigade is willing to make.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And what happens when team blue decides your minority group is an acceptable sacrifice, as they're currently doing for trans people? They already threw the Palestinian Americans on the pyre, and they're going for trans folks next.

The problem with looking the other way when some other group is thrown under the bus is that inevitably your ticket will be called. In 2028, it's going to be trans folks and their allies that are being bullied into supporting a conservative democrat like Newsom, even though he would take the Democrats the same direction as British Labor.

I just can't understand this hubris and arrogance. You actually expect people to vote for their own annihilation.

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