Good. Fuck religious indoctrination among the kids.
this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2025
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Agreed, and this goes for any religion that does it. But what really grinds my gears about (other) leftists defending this kind of religious expression is, this isn't something women choose. They're forced to and groomed from young age to cover themselves. Meanwhile, their brothers, fathers, sons all walk around free to wear shorts, t-shirts, etc. If men had to cover themselves the same way, then sure, at least there would be some level of equality. This is just plain old misogyny that has no place in modern societies.
However, with that said, there's a real possibility banning head coverings would ultimately hurt girls, instead of helping them. Good education and financial independence and stability in adulthood would give these girls a better and safer way to escape. Like with any other societal problem, it's complex and can't be simply "magiced" away.
But what really grinds my gears about (other) leftists defending this kind of religious expression is, this isn't something women choose.
How do you know that?
They're forced to and groomed from young age to cover themselves.
That's... kind of how all parenting works? You could legit say "they're forced to and groomed from young age to X" and replace X with anything you want and it'll work so you're not really saying much.
This is just plain old misogyny that has no place in modern societies.
Yeah here's the thing: Freedom of conscience means freedom of conscience, even when you don't like that conscience. If misogyny is reason enough for you to take a sledgehammer to this core pillar of democratic society then go ahead, but know that fascists can use that same sledgehammer against whatever beliefs you have that they don't like.
How do you know that?
Try wearing a headcovering for an entire day and I'm sure you'll figure it out.
Hijab, sure, easy. But a burka or a niqab? Nah, ain't no-one choosing that without years of conditioning.
You could legit say "they're forced to and groomed from young age to X" and replace X with anything you want and it'll work so you're not really saying much.
"They're forced from a young age to respect differences and think for themselves and groomed not to behave in a way that limits the freedom of others."
Yeah, totally the same, isn't it? /s
"Taking a sledgehammer against a core pillar of a democratic society" what are you talking about? You think a code democratic principle is being broken here by limiting burkas and niqabs?
Sure, buddy
This you?
It gets even worse, once the 'gods chosen people' and 'dirty heathens' discussions start. Kids have no filter. I'm speaking of all abrahamic religions and a a good chunk of everything else.
God sure does enact genocides on his "chosen people" quite often. I guess religious nuts sometimes forget what they're chosen for lol.
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I always love the irony when people worry that others are being dictated on how to dress so they then themselves dictate to people how they can dress.
I always love the irony when people making such comments are unable to understand that setting SOME dressing rules in schools and working places is absolutely NOT the same as the dictation of wearing distinct clothing anytime and anywhere. The latter has far bigger restrictive impact on your freedom of expression.
This puts a lot of pressure on Muslim girls and places them in a further disadvantaged position compared to not only Christians, but even to Muslim boys.
Also, while Finnish schools are expected maintain confessional neutrality, display of a cross somehow doesn't count.
Fuck religion. Embrace personal experience over dogmatic teachings.
This is pure and simple Islamophobia and racism. Their head dressings do not detract from anyone's learning including their own. This is like banning hair dye because it might "disturb and distract" other students. Bullshit.
Every finn should get an emotional support burka.
I feel like a lot of comments here suffers from The Paradox of Tolerance.
This is about a minister setting down their foot on what degree of tolerance outside of cultural and societal norms this country should have. Just like any other country. Look at for example at Afghanistan, Japan, and Estonia - are they any different? Better or worse?
That's not what the paradox of tolerance is. The paradox of tolerance, according to your own link, is that tolerating intolerant ideas allows them to thrive and expand until they enforce their intolerance on everyone else. Unless you think that allowing girls to wear burkas will lead to Finland becoming a caliphate, the paradox of tolerance doesn't apply. Also, in typical Westerner fashion, you completely ignored the impact of colonial meddling in your example choices.
Freedom of religion until we don't like it.
Why should there be freedom of religion any more? What does religion do?
Why should a state be allowed to dictate what people believe?
Because freedom of religion is pretty much just a special case of freedom of thought and conscience? Unless you want the state to use its monopoly on violence to punish people for wrongthink, freedom of religion is here to stay.
Why should there be freedom of religion any more?
This is an argument that will lead to you being forced into being a christian.
What do you have in mind? Maybe we should start rounding up people for having the wrong belief
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