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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

Do not split.

But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.

And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.

If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/42969194

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And nothing changed.

Fascists do not care about protests. Never have. Never will.

Fascists also don't allow fair elections if they can prevent them.

This is why it was so important for Americans to pull their heads out of their asses and make the obvious choice in November, instead of giving total control to fascists, making it WAY more likely for the next election to be fraudulent. Americans failed.

I'm going to let everyone reading this come to the obvious conclusion for what will end up needing to be done at this point.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna guess violent revolution with a side of political cleansing?

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 days ago (10 children)
  1. Trump and his goons are traitors
  2. A corporate takeover of the US has been planned for a long time
  3. We will not vote our way out of this
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We will not vote our way out of this

Nope. That option disappeared on November 5, 2024.

You cannot allow fascists to have total control of a government and then expect to vote your way back to normality.

Lots of people are going to have to die to end this. And we'll probably go through a prolonged period of a decline of our quality of life before that happens. Then a prolonged period of recovery. And it could have easily been avoided if Americans had pulled their heads out of their asses and rubbed a couple brain cells together.

Buckle up kids.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There has been a massive, multi-pronged assault on just our rights and our values, but our very attention-spans and cognitive capabilities to resist the corporate takeover.

Do ya'll really think that they're collecting your personal data to sell you targeted products you want?

They want to know what everyone's limits are, they want to know how much you pay attention, they want to know how much discomfort you will endure before you get mad, they want to know what placates you, they want to know what makes you feel good and comfortable so they can distill whatever that is and turn it into concentrated slop to keep you in your chair.

This isn't conspiracy, this is the same thing that's been to other countries by dictators and oligarchs in the past, usually with things like alcohol or drugs, but the modern world in America is much more complicated so they need a lot of people to click "agree" so they can find out what your weaknesses really are.

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[–] No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Traitors and child fuckers.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

child rapists. FIFY

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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Non-violent protests and their leaders are heralded by the establishment for a reason. They want non-violent protests because it’s an outlet that doesn’t actually affect their power. Martin Luther King gets credit for civil rights but really the rioting and violence on the periphery of that movement is what scared the powerful into bargaining. Symbols can be useful for rallying people, but in the end, it’s always direct action against the interest of the powerful that works. Large scale general strikes, riots, and political killings have always been the catalyst of major change.

Also, even if all that happened in the US, we still need some kind of leadership to pick up the pieces that will actually do something lasting to change things. The Democrats certainly aren’t that.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

non violent protests only go so far, they would be scared if magats are also doing it, because how trigger finger they are. i think the strike that was truley effective, is the one they quashed, the railroad workers, the us is entirely dependant on this. Having these tiny protests, comparetively to what EUROPEans are doing.

[–] seralth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Non violence brings people together so that violence can be enacted in a directed, efficient, and useful manner. So the least amount of incidental harm can be caused to those it's not directed at. And those who it is directed at can see and feel it in ways that are the most impactful and visible.

Cause even if violence is enacted. If it's not see far and wide, then it is little more than the tantrum of a child easily swept into their room and kept invisible from the public.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 109 points 3 days ago (23 children)

I hate reading the comments of all the capitulators here, carrying water for the regime by trying to discourage people with this constant drumbeat that protests are useless and ineffective. Bullshit. Are you magats? We've seen examples in history where protests and the movements they enabled have brought down those in power.

Protests are necessary but not sufficient in themselves. They're how resistance starts and builds, not how it ends. Did you ever think it might take time to form the momentum to get to a critical mass, especially after decades of complacency? Real momentum and effective action was never going to happen immediately or in just weeks, or even in less than eight months which is where we are now. There are already people grouping and doing things other than protests (iykyk) and will be more, made possible by the support and cover that large numbers participating provide.

Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities. Blue cities. There's one reason for that--they want to intimidate people from turning out and use force to stop those who do. trump keeps saying so and plans are being implemented.

Point is, you may think it's all useless and ineffective, but the regime obviously doesn't. Why do you want to help them? If you think it's hopeless, fine--stay home and doom scroll, but stop trying to dissuade others.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 days ago

Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities.

Which is important. Make them want to cover every city in America. The problem for them is that they can't. There aren't enough regular troops, National Guard, and ICE agents put together to make it work. They'll be spread too thin.

That really highlights the importance of protests. If it was just New York it would fail. If it was just Chicago it would fail. If it were just LA it would fail. If we signal that we're all going to work together on this, they can't possibly do it.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

I agree. The negativity in this forum has utility beyond providing a stupid counterpoint. It also saturates attention and screenspace in long threads of people arguing nonsense. The goal is disruption, and in a space far from corporate control like Reddit, yet somewhat under-moderated, it's alarmingly effective. At worst, there's an acutual playbook for this exact thing.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 21 points 2 days ago

I wish I could sticky this.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

If it only had had any effect lmao

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's good to see people politically animated, but these protests are largely 'controlled opposition'. It's an emergency venting valve where the people's frustration is channeled into a meaningless whistle.

The whole system is rotted. The democrats are not fighting for the small folk at all. If anything, a branch of the party is probably relieved that the republicans moved the overton window so far right.

Real change will require actual upheaval. You can't vote or protest your way out of this shit. Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board. There are some of us (working class) that are doing some unassuming maintenance in the orphan crushing machine. We won't get anywhere as long as people are operating their evil cog as normal. These protests won't do anything as long as it's being directed through the democrat pressure valve, as it is built in as a safety device in the orphan crushing machine.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board.

The only way we get there is by getting people out of their houses, away from controlled media, and aware that they're not alone. Without active, live, out-in-public protest, nobody will feel emboldened to take more radical action; they'll feel like a lone actor and probably not even start. Civil action en-masse comes first.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

No one disputes the need to get people in the street. I agree with you there.

My cautionary tale is that turning to democrats or other mainstream ""resistance"" is a trap meant to deflate popular morale.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Everyone had a good time, then went home and nothing was changed.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because we're still all under the delusion that we live in a civilized country with laws and fairness.

I think if people here had ever actually been in a fascist dictatorship before, those marches wouldn't have ended with everyone going home and sharing pictures on social media, it would have ended with capitol buildings set ablaze and an embarrassed and disheveled president being dragged out to a military tribunal or locked in a jail cell until trial.

You know, the thing that actually happens in places where this has happened before.

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[–] loaf@sh.itjust.works 111 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Now if we could just repeat that success consistently.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Coordinate another date, and I'll participate in that one too.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 80 points 3 days ago (10 children)
[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If NYC residents could do one on 9/11 that would get some solid coverage. Fill the memorial. Remind people Saudi Arabia is a part owner of this regime with Russia.

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[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

While media attention is often focused on actors acquiescing to Trump’s demands, in the streets the popular protest movement continues to push back against the administration with notable persistence over time.

No lie, that's some good news.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Good for the USA.

They had a moment, made funny signs, took some pictures, felt good about themselves.

Now Trump is rolling a military buildup in the country's capitol. We all know how this is going to end.

Good job. Pat yourselves on the back. You achieved fucking nothing.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

If the protests were pointless, then why would trump bother to build up the military in cities? Seems to me that the military buildup is to discourage more protests, because they are not pointless.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think that peaceful and defiant protest are the anvil and hammer of social reform. Without each other, it is hard to change society into a more useful shape. These two wings are part of the same animal, and only work if they cooperate.

The Black Panthers were great, because they created social programs like feeding schoolchildren, while offering physical protection to the people under their care. We need Rainbow Panthers to help support the MLKs and Malcoms of our day.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's important to note how the Black Panthers used "violence". There were very few incidents where they actually fired their guns, and when they did, they were arguably baited into doing it by the FBI and local cops.

Their best tactic was just hanging around with an AK on their back while a cop did their racial profiling thing to somebody else. They'd keep a book of laws handy and give the person advice from the sidelines. If they didn't have a gun, the cop would likely have found some pretext to arrest them and that'd be it. With a gun, the cop thinks twice and puts up with it. It wasn't there to actually be fired, but to make sure everyone behaved themselves.

This was so effective they changed California's open carry law to stop it. It's estimated that there were only around 100 Black Panthers at the time.

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[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 38 points 3 days ago (15 children)

And we’re all reaping the benefits of it, right? RIGHT???

Non-violent protest only works against those who have a conscience, with is NOT MAGAts.

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And yet it seemed to change nothing

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

History teaches us when protests and marches go unacknowledged riots and civil disobedience follow

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

peaceful protest is allowed by the constitution because it is ineffective

a riot is the language of the unheard

nobody in the world has ever won their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them

[–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 20 points 3 days ago

One of the factors in whether a nonviolent resistance movement can succeed or not is whether any state forces end up shifting loyalty. "Appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them" may be false if you're just talking about whoever's at the top, but it absolutely is a factor for the day-to-day bureaucrats and security forces. Nonviolent campaigns are more likely to cause these sorts of changes (particularly when violent crackdowns against nonviolent resistance backfires).

Consider the success of the following movements:

  • Peoples Power Revolution (First one in 1986) - several military leaders defected from the Marcos regime
  • Velvet Revolution (1989) - had several government officials defect
  • Malagasy Political Crisis (2002) - Defense minister resigned, generals and military officers were split on who to support (source for this one, since the article is hard to find). In fairness, although this one would largely be classified as nonviolent, at the time, it was hard to say whether or not there would be any armed conflict (aside from some incidents with police attacking protesters early in the movement)

There's several other cases of this happening over the past century, but I hope you get my point - nobody's appealing to the guy on the throne, they're appealing to all the other cogs in the machine.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Sweet, keep up brave Americans!

[–] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago

I went to an anti-genocide march that day and we were hoping to link up with the No Kings marchers and combine forces, but they went home early.

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