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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 122 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The AI in Her was actually AI - a full person in most respects. That's not what's happening now.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 42 points 8 months ago (19 children)

AGI that quickly transitioned to ASI (since that's theoretically what would happen once the first happens). The term "AI" has been misused and marketed so much now it's lost its previous connection to the actual "Artificial Intelligence" meaning.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The AI in Her was able to pass as a full person. But, what we're seeing now is that humans are not good at understanding the difference between a real person and a program designed to simulate a human.

IMO it's like the mirror test which is designed to see if an animal recognizes itself in the mirror, or thinks it's another animal. The LLM breakthrough is basically that we can now have a computer program that is in no way intelligent or self-aware, but it is able to simulate those things well enough to fool many / most humans.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago

Sam and other AGI in Her not only passed as persons, they transcended the human experience into a whole other level we couldn't grasp.

But I realize your point is that the problem is more on the human side and how we so easily personify anything close to seeming human-like. It's possible that we may even miss machine intelligence if it comes about because it will be so alien to us. Look at dolphin research and how little we understand their communication, and that's still biological entities that have some things in common with us.

[–] romanticremedy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And yet we have people treating chatbot as therapist or even romantic partner. Going to get worse as AI technology develops

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago

or even as a pharmacist or doctor.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago

The word AI as a technical term refers to a broad category of algorithms; what you're talking about is AGI.

AI doesn't stand for artificial personhood. One of the first big AI projects was teaching a computer to play chess.

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[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)

For your own sanity, don't read r/MyBoyfriendIsAI on r*ddit - shit's dystopian

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well now I have to check this out.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Update.

This was a mistake.

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[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I stumbled upon it just yesterday and what horrible sight it was.

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[–] malware@lemmy.zip 27 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Tried it out, was very excited at the beginning but then shit got extremely repetitive, no matter the model. Maybe I was doing something wrong, idk. I'm certainly not paying to have a better quality conversation.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah, it makes a lot more sense for people who don't/can't hold normal conversations. It would probably be harder to parse all the strange behavior and easier to overlook when it's your only lifeline.

[–] malware@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

yea, I agree. When I'm particularly sad it is easier to overlook the said weird behaviour honestly. Still irks me out a bit when it starts to repeat itself frequently :(

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I did the same a few months ago just to try it. Im not sure if what I used was the problem or if there are better ones, but it was actually crazy at first where no matter what you say and build the scene you were able to do it which was pretty cool. But after about 15 min, the entire thing started to crumble where things were repeated a lot more, and then I somehow broke it where all it did was spit out gibberish, at which point I laughed and stopped.

So I wanna know, are these people who get that involved and attached using something better or are they that starved for affection and interaction that they are willing to settle for something that barely scrapes the surface of a true conversation.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago

If you leverage all the workarounds and utilities available, the best you can get is still a mostly senile chatbot. It'll constantly forget stuff and get details wrong, but I suppose if you're deep into psychosis, then you'd pass that off as just being 'a little forgetful'.

The absolute best ones available still are basically the same as zoning out in a meeting and then trying to respond when asked a question by wild guessing and a handful of context clues. You might get lucky and say something reasonable a few times, but the longer it goes on the more apparent it is that you haven't been paying attention at all.

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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Almost like it's just advanced auto complete with a bit of randomization...

[–] malware@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bunch of math matrices in a trenchcoat 😔😔

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[–] Hoimo@ani.social 2 points 7 months ago

ChatGPT isn't the correct model for casual conversation. You don't even need a better/bigger model, you need better tuning and a few simple conveniences to create some semblance of a memory. But even when you have a perfect setup, you won't get a natural conversation of decent length without a little wrangling and rerolling the outputs.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Is Her actually an entertaining movie to watch? or is it just like another Oscar bait cerebral slow burn that at the end of it you realized it was pretty boring if it didn't provoke any thoughts for the viewer?

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Omg YES!

But! It’s a movie made before doomscrolling while watching was a thing, so you are expected to pay close attention the whole time and not be on your phone while you watch it

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 7 months ago

Sorry, what? I was on my phone while reading this comment

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thank you I appreciate this very much! I'm convinced so I'm gonna watch it this week and I'll be sure to try to keep my phone out of my hands. It's more a physical keep my hands busy compulsion than anything haha

Thanks for being vague ;)

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Just to add, it's definitely more character driven than plot driven. I really enjoyed it, but not everyone is big on character driven stories.

Additionally, I think in a post GPT world it'll hit different, but at the time it brought up interesting concepts that weren't mainstream yet.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Absolutely, go watch it. It's beautiful and the actors feel authentic.

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[–] bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Watched the movie somewhat recently and somehow always thought it came out ~2023 its really well made.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 7 months ago

I really love the fashion in that movie. A lot of things are very subtle.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 points 8 months ago

Ex machina is more about the question of machine consciousness & sentience.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's actually a bit frighening to see this.

Have seen people start being validated because 'even' ChatGPT agreed with them, that ChatGPT had the same opinion as they did. The more they get validated, the more unhinged they will go, because they get what seems to be 'external validation'.

The internet was already kind of bad for validating people in ways they shouldn't be validated, but the LLM text generators are making that seem tame by comparison.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

In 2007 when I was ten, you'd almost certainly get laughed out of the room by other ten year olds when you said you were right because someone on club penguin agreed with you. It's beyond me how those ten year olds are now 28 year olds that think they're right because a text generator agreed with you.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The idea of the "virtual friend" has been around for a long time. I think it's curious that like Star Trek or other franchises hasn't used that idea yet, for what I know.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

SeaQuest DSV did it in a recurring way, without really touching on the dark side of it...

And of course the TNG holodeck had numerous one-shots of the concept. Barclay and recreating all his colleagues but in 'better' ways, Geordi making the idealized Leah Brahms in one episode, and then latter having to face the creepiness of that scenario. TNG at least eventually held things up to the probelmatic consequences...

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Does Rimmer on Red Dwarf count?

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have way more problems with that than with people "falling in love with AI" dating sites are riddled with people who proudly ask Chatgpt for advice. And at least from my experience, they are very smug about it and feel super smart because the all knowing AI thinks they are smart too and agrees all the time

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Recently had an exchange where someone declared that 'we' had come to a conclusion, and I asked who else and he said ChatGpt. He got way defensive when I said that isn't really another party coming to a conclusion, that's just text being generated to be consistent with the text submitted at it so far, with a goal of being agreeable no matter what.

I've no idea how this mindset works and persists even as you open up the exact same model and get it to say exactly the opposite opinion.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Many people have no idea how LLMs work. No clue at all. They think it's actually AI, what we now call AGI, and they often don't have enough baseline knowledge to understand even basic explanations about how it works.

The rest just are looking for external validation and will ignore anything that doesn't confirm their biases. These people are nothing new, they've just been given a more convenient tool.

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