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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Democrats are praising ICE and defending genocide. What in the world makes you think they’d do anything progressive, if they won a majority?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

If the Democrats win nothing will change.

They will continue to push the overton window, as they keep the seat warm for the next right wing fascist.

This is what Democrats have done with power over the last 50 years.

We either get ranked choice voting going, or elect a 3rd party, otherwise we stay on the same path the Duopoly was designed to keep us trapped on.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How do you have ranked choice for a two party system?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Ranked choice eliminates the two party hold, genius.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Does DC want to be or even have a reason to be its own state? I thought it specifically wasn't a state to be "fair" somehow.

Peurto Rico, OTOH, certainly wants to (or wanted to previously; IDK how they feel currently). Also Guam and the US Virgin Islands.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

I mean I imagine all the people living there would like a say in federal politics.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

My memory is hazy, but I read about this once because it's a really weird situation. The founders wanted this area to be just be a simple neutral meeting place for politicians, so that the area itself wouldn't be vulnerable to political fuckery. That time has long passed as not only did D.C. turn into a city, it's a full-blown metropolis at this point. People live and work there but can't vote in certain things for really no reason in this modern day.

Oh there was political fuckery before our masonic forefathers laid the cornerstones. The reason it's on the border of Maryland and Virginia was to placate the southern states, otherwise the capitol would have stayed in New York.

It's something like, more people live in Washington, D.C. than in Wyoming.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Yes but they won't do it.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We'll probably never have legitimate elections again in this country.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They at least want the idea that we can't trust the results, no matter what they are, as a standard. After watching videos from DEFCON, I definitely don't trust the last election results.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep.

They won't, but they should.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Chances Republicans lose the Senate -near 0. For Congress to pass anything it would have to go through both houses, so even if they somehow flipped the house (which may be unlikely with all the gerrymandering happening) it wouldn't be possible.

[–] OneSpectra@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I think they will lose both the Senate and the House because of import tarriffs, farms going out of business, and cutting medicare and snap. Small and medium size businesses that are heavily dependant on imports will be strained under these tariffs.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wyoming.

We need 5 of those to flop to Democrat, without a single Democrat seat flopping.

Seats I think they maybe could able to win: Maine, North Carolina.

That would put Republicans at 51 seats + the VP That's assuming the Dems fill all the empty slots as well and keep the independents agreeing with them.

North Carolina is a reasonable bet with Tillis announcing he's not running again and Cooper announcing his run.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. I’d go a step further and give native Americans representation similar to statehood too.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The U.S. government recognizes 574 American Indian tribes and Alaska Native entities. Give each of them two senators, one representative, and three electoral votes, and suddenly the white man's government becomes a minority adjunct to the new native government. I'd say let's give it a try and see how it goes!

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't Puerto Rico not want statehood?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. Puerto Rico is going through a period of discovering itself after the first Trump presidency. Maria fucked the island, Biden did nothing different than Trump (who at least gave out paper towels), and PR is still suffering from rolling power outages. Luma, the power company, is owned by a company in Texas and has the money to fix it but hasn't after almost a decade.

PR wants to be in charge of its own future. A power company that extracts money but makes no changes is a colonial enterprise. So much of Puerto Rico is being peeled off for moneyed interests that it makes sense they want little to do with America.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

So they're revolting and leaving? I mean they are part of America right now and I don't see that changing.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately, they made that known by boycotting the 2020 vote for statehood. The vote makes it look like they want to be a state and that might be all that congress bothers to look at.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It’ll mess up the flag (51 or 52 stars don’t go into a regular grid), so they’ll need a one-in-one-out policy. A start could be merging the Dakotas and Carolinas.

[–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 18 hours ago

I think that a 51 star flag could look pretty cool.

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suggest we kick out Florida or Texas. Or both.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Having 2 festering heeps of authoritarianism next to your country is less than ideal. A strong handed attempt to reform them would be better, like an external board to determine their districts (though it'd require an amendment to the constitution)

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Disagree entirely. Reform is less possible than eviction. If the federal government said “we will allow it” then Florida and Texas would overwhelmingly vote to Amerexit.

And shit, let’s just let the south have all of it back. Let them reform themselves. Slavery? Not my problem.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's a lack of empathy that I cannot agree with.

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Straight white middle class male?

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So for not wanting people to be literally enslaved you are profiling me as a straight white middle class male. Wow.

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

No, for not wanting those nut jobs to split off and do their own thing, leaving the rest of us to enjoy life… that is why. Am I wrong?

“Empathy” hah.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Their own thing is oppressing people. We should stop that much as far as we have power to , and if we can force them out of the union that's likely from a position where we would.

You would allow the people in those states to be oppressed just to make your own life easier. Yes, you are wrong

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You’re a man and middle class. You live in Chicago. You work for a big company. You have a car. The only thing in question is your race and sexuality. Rolling the dice on sexuality being heterosexual. So you’re not white? I could scroll more and find out, but just admin it’s all true.

And if you were a heterosexual middle class white male, you wouldn’t be able to comprehend why I want them not part of my country.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

You're a moron. Of course you want to expell the horrifying bigots. However, leaving those left there to die is not good. I work for a big company??? Yes, I do. As a part time worker, the fuck? Target employees also work for a big company, does that make them have money?

Having a $3k car does not make a guy middle class either.

I am white. I'm saying that your logic in reasoning as such is ridiculous.

[–] marsza@lemmy.cafe 0 points 10 hours ago

The cost of your car doesn’t mean your household isn’t middle class. Lots of people with money don’t waste their money on cars.

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s not just the House, the Senate and the President also need to be on board. The House passing a resolution would at least illustrate who’s holding things up, though.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Senate needs to be board, but not the president. The president doesn't have veto power as it is not a bill. Ratification of a state is just Congress. (And there is no way the Republicans will lose both sides of Congress)

[–] Taser@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

Two words: Douglass Commonwealth

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Statehood or independence for Puerto Rico and while we're at it the Pacific islands and any other colonial possessions.

DC can be rolled into Virginia just fine as the compromise.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

So Hawaii gets to represent itself? Or not since it's a state.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

gop would never agree to it in the senate. Also old guard DNC doesnt seem keen on giving statehood as would the gop, it will just include too many problems for them

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

At the very very least they should at least have a single voting representative for fucks sake.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 21 hours ago

The United States is a fascist country.

Wondering what the minority party would do if it regained power is not a relevant use of time imo.