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[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All evidence points to a regime change (in the physics sense, not the political) being the necessary condition for things to go from our current state to something new.

We currently have people paying poorer people a very small amount of their own net worth to protect the wealthy person's status and position. This is similar to how kings and queens paid the army and policing forces to control the peasants.

Before the French Revolution I am sure it seemed impossible that the peasants would revolt, but the years leading up to the revolution things were getting worse and worse for the average peasant. There is a tipping point where the average person does not think the current system is delivering on the promise that of you do what you are told you can have a good life. I think we are approaching that point now.

If the rich try to hire someone and underpay them for security, stiff contractors for services, flaunt laws and generally behave obnoxiously at some point people will have had enough. Whether that ends with guillotine action or people just divesting from those systems depends on how much freedom people think they have.

If people thought they could go and homestead, live off the land, and get by without the massive companies these billionaires own then they would have that outlet and choose that peaceful option. The fact that we have taxation creates a pressure to pay in currency which demands earning in that currency. Same with paying rent, you have to earn money simply to live. No amount of growing all of your food gets rid of your financial obligations, so there is no out from the system. If that system is unreasonable it begins to feel less like participation and more like coercive control. Wage slavery is not the same as slavery, but both involve coercion and require the legal system to support them. Both lead to revolutions. Both lead to violence.

I guess the billionaires have to decide if they really want to paint that big a target on their backs by flaunting their wealth. At this point I think they feel untouchable.

[–] Kevo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The biggest ruse in American history is the modern billionaire convincing the working class Americans that the immigrants, homeless, people of color, and LGBT+ people are the real enemy and the reason you're unhappy. Capitalism is the only functioning system of government, don't pay attention to the fact that almost every other developed country has universal healthcare.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Mostly all agreed, but the populace isn't starving, not even close. I'm not arguing that we're not suffering, only that we're nowhere near suffering enough for a revolt. But damned do I like what you've written!

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It’s funny cause no one seems to realize that the billionaires are human beings. They have a house, they shit, they piss, they bleed, etc. And yet, everyone is somehow convinced that becoming a billionaire makes you somehow invulnerable.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

they win because they throw money at enough ppl to build a wall of ppl to protect them

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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 day ago (23 children)

If we decide money no longer matters it'd be petty easy to eliminate them all. If we continue to let money run our lives then it'll continue to be pretty easy for the people with money to keep all their power.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If we decide money no longer matters it’d be petty easy to eliminate them all

Okay, but then where will I get my passive income? I worked 40 years in the shit and rusty needles mine to build up a big enough nest egg to get passive income. Now I'm too full of staff infections and lacerated limbs and shit lung to work anymore.

I can't afford not to make the next guy work himself to death in the shit rust needle mine.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

His people are infected. I think he might be a billionaire in disguise.

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is happening right now and the billionaires are winning.

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why you think they're tossing so much money to develope ai and humanoid robots?

When shit will hit the fan they want their own private army to watch their ass, but at the same time they don't want highly trained human mercenary inside their golden castel getting strange ideas.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Omg you are right on this. They see most of as disposable once they're able to consistently get away with it.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

We're already seeing the results of the fight, so no need to elaborate on who would win and how

[–] Typewar 2 points 23 hours ago

What kind of battle are we taking about? Violence? Then 8 billion people would win because the combined force of knowledge.

This question also really depend on strategy. You know a billion worth doesn't need to be all in cash. Before cash was a thing, we traded items.. but it's rare to trade items that are exactly worth the same, so money is a nice way to compensate that.

The billion worth can all be spent on defense, it can all be spent on pleasing the 8 billion people. It can be spent to create harmony instead of hatred.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

The billionaires spend a small fraction to some idiots to betray their fellow non-billionaires. It's probably about a million people versus the masses.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If the people were all invested in taking out the billionaires, then the people would win, hands down.

But if, as in the current situation, the people have higher priorities, in which 50% do not find billionaires to be an existential threat, and at least 300 million think they are simply temporarily embarrassed billionaires themselves, then the billionaires win, that is, until the Earth inevitably cannot support them any longer.

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[–] zeropointone@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

The billionaires. There are many reasons, but my favorite is the Matthew effect.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

The billionaires. People dumb AF. Billionaires have money to manipulate people to think they are doing good while they are fucking humanity.

[–] splount@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If organized, the billionaires lose. It's really that simple and that difficult.

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[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Their divide and conquer strategy is busting our asses.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

While arriving for the competition, all 8 billion got wedged into the doors of the arena Three Stooges style and were unable to compete.

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