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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] DetachablePianist@lemmy.world 96 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Brent Spiner might be a seriously underrated actor. My two fav Data episodes are 'A Fistful of Datas' where Spiner is playing as multiple holodeck characters at once, and (forgot ep name) where he's taken over by an entire alien civilization and he's rapidly switching between multiple alien personalities. Watching Brent Spiner perform Data's complex roles is a friggin' master class in acting. Watching Data "glitch" mid sentance for example. Spiner is just incredible

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

He actually thinks the masks episode was one of his weaker episodes because he had almost no prep time. It's basically all personalities he made up on the spot. But thats why he's so great, because I never would have known.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The other episode is Masks.

[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Masaka is waking!

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Brent was even pretty great in Enterprise no? As

Tap for two-decade old spoilerthe incarcerated genius who “fathered” all the augment embryos

Not sure about that one film though

Brent as turtle guy in Master of Disguise

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 points 2 days ago

I learned to do this in job interviews. It works!

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Not gonna lie, I've read a lot about the series and heard many people talk about it, in particular Mike and Rich Evans at redlettermedia, and I am stunned to that I have never heard any reference to this. Made my day reading this, I should probably just bite the bullet and watch the whole series.

[–] Loce@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still better human than Zuckerberg

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

He's a better human than most.

[–] Aetherion@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Now I have to watch the whole series again lol

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Im surprised he doesn't take on accents, too. That's something people do. I remember catching myself taking on a southern accent while talking to a lady from Tennessee while on a long flight and then getting all self conscious that she might think I was mocking her and I wasn't even doing it on purpose. 😩

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

My wife does this. She technically has a southern accent, but since she lives near Philly she mostly has the standard mid Atlantic accent, sometimes a Philly accent, but she's only the phone every day doing customer support and she'll switch to British accents, Hispanic accents, Indian accents... she just does that. Over the phone not as awkward, but in person can be quite weird. Makes it extra fun when we play D&D though.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

I used to do this unintentionally while working in a call center. We dealt with a lot of folks from the south who had similar accents. I'm Canadian, eh?

My coworkers used to say that when I'd show up to work, I was (my name), and by the time I be left, I was farmer (my name).

I honestly didn't intend to do it. I'm just so used to mirroring the people around me.

[–] WalterLego@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

I do the same. Three days in London and it's "Pass me the ba'a mate!"

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I always super identified with adata growing up, awkward social interaction, and I, myself did the mimicry thing, still catch myself doing it when meeting new people. I found out I'm autistic 3 years ago, and Data is a SUPER autistic coded character.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, all those episodes about how Data was awkward and stilted when trying to interact with humans, and he would have gotten along well with certain neurodivergent ones. Same applies to Vulcans, really - the ones that actually uphold the ideals of logic and aren't all smarmy about it, at least.

I saw an interview a while back where Brent Spiner said he only found out that autistic people identified with Data years after the show was over. He said it was good he didn't know at the time, because it might have ruined the performance if he were aware of it while doing it.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is this canon or did the poster just cherry pick a few instances?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 106 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This might be legit. Brent Spiner said in interviews that he was consciously keeping track of Data’s growth during the series. He intentionally made him feel like a blank canvas that behaved in an uncanny way at first, and slowly introduced more and more human mannerisms and warmth to his character.

Without instruction, for seven years & four movies. He was probably doing the same thing during Picard.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I feel like the time(s?) he played future Data he "jumped ahead" on the mannerisms too.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago
[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Can I note that Data served many years in Starfleet prior to the start of TNG? He wasn't activated the day before the Encounter at Farpoint mission started. He would have had years of experience working with humans by that point.

[–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, did any of us have great social skills for the first decade or two after activation?

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Fair point. Quite a few people never develop those skills.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yes, but the crews didn’t accept him as much as enterprise crew did, making it hard for him ti experience and grow.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Agreed. I think Enterprise was the first time people collectively treated Data like anything other than a machine. A case of nurture when is came to the professional culture of Picard’s command.

Then Pulaski comes onboard from another ship and immediately regards him as a walking computer. This was probably the first time Data stood up for himself as well. Over time, Pulaski adopted the respect the rest of the crew had for him.

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[–] monkeyman512@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Imagine how awkward he must have been at the start.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

That actually would have been a great flashback sequence that I'm sorry they never did.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

Well he started with refusing to wear clothes so much Soong had to hardcode an anti nudity patch.

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You'll see him mimicking behavior throughout the series. One of my favorite examples is in Starship Mine aka "Star Trek does a Die Hard" with Data's attempts at small talk.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I’m convinced that a lot of his footage in that episode was Spiner goofing off or intentionally blowing takes and they just used whatever they could.

There’s an outtake of the scene when he’s “being Hutchinson” to ~~Troi~~ Crusher and Riker. In the episode it’s the same scene cut short because the extended scene quickly devolves into crude humor that couldn’t be aired on network TV at the time - both Frakes and ~~Sirtis~~ McFadden gasping at what Spiner said.

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lmao I love how it takes Frakes a second to register what Spiner just said before he just loses it

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

It would have totally been in-character for Riker to react the same way, too.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you. It was McFadden, not Sirtis.

Frakes just lost it at the end.

Spiner is a wonderful human being. And so is Data.

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[–] teft@piefed.social 13 points 2 days ago

I love seeing new trek that I never saw before. Thanks for linking that.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I do that too, it's just (ez) masking, it makes others perceive me more human-like.
Which is absolutely necessary to 'live in a society' & not get constantly excluded.

[–] monkeyman512@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sucks to have to work that hard just to hang out.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

It's not even to just hang out, it's for normal opportunities (like getting a job, asking for some services from other humans, etc). Basically to at least not repel other humans (even showing constant kindness doesn't help in some cases bcs simply "to weird/alien" & thus unpleasant, even without any accidental miscommunication, which happens with my body language all the time).

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Humans do this unconsciously! I was on a first date and thinking, "Pretty sure this woman likes me." So I mirrored her for a little bit then started purposefully changing my posture, and she went right along with me! Had to stop before I laughed out loud and had to explain myself.

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