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[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

All the Putin jokes aside, I don't think he's doing it for geopolitical or treasonous reasons. I think it's mainly just a by-product of his style of interaction and competition, which exists for very logical ("logical") reasons and which he's been able to make work pretty well for himself.

https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-weak-strongman

Snyder says it better than I can, but basically, he is weak and stupid, but he needs to be able to dominate people around him, and so his whole strategy is to attack and weaken, because that's his only way to be able to compete effectively. He can usually dominate the weakened version of whatever he's attacking, in a way he never could if it was at full strength. It's why he shows such innate and passionate violence against anything or anyone that is organized, effective, or popular: Because someday, they might turn against him, and if they did they would definitely win, and so he has to Nancy Kerrigan them before they get a chance.

Again Snyder summarizes it better, but it is also the exact same model that Putin uses, and it's had exactly the same effect on Russia (taking it from at least a regional powerhouse and functioning country that could accomplish significant things, to being a pariah state that barely functions in the first place even internally.) The strategy only works for as long as there is no one "outside the wall" who can come into the sphere of influence in un-weakened form, and if that ever happens, then the strongman crumbles instantly into impotent rubble. To ever let one of these people get control of your country or organization is basically just a nonstop rolling catastrophe that just gets worse and worse the longer they hold on to power.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

(taking it from at least a regional powerhouse and functioning country that could accomplish significant things, to being a pariah state that barely functions in the first place even internally.)

Say what you want about Putin but he has been pretty successful in getting Russia back into the global game after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now he's mostly doing this by dragging everyone else down so your average Russian is gaining exactly zilch from any of this, but when you look at the state of democracy all over the West you can't say he reduced Russia's international influence.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago

Back into the global game?

They collapsed from being a global superpower, to selling off their natural resources to enrich a couple of hundred of the worst people on the planet, and beating up their neighbors for oil money and mostly being ignored by most of the rest of the world unless there's an Olympics or something. Putin didn't cause all of that of course, but he had a huge amount to do with entrenching the systems of corruption that doomed any chance they would have had of recovering their superpower status as China or Europe did after major catastrophes happened to them.

And now, as of the last few years, they can't even beat up their neighbors anymore. Sure, they still have a huge impact on the world stage in the form of destabilizing foreign democracies. You're not wrong about that part. But that's another example of my point: The whole shtick is just weakening everyone else. It won't do anything at all to increase their military power, increase standards of living for either oligarchs or common people. It won't help them win any of those regional wars. And it definitely won't help them against any threat that comes from "outside the sphere" (bird flu or climate change or whatever). It's just more Tanya Harding shit.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But no one in the us seems willing to do anything about it, aside from making the occasional mildly caustic statements online and in govt.

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[–] tylerkdurdan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

make america hate again break american greatness again

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The public got so tired of being no. one they voted the absolute worst possible candidate in history to the highest office in the land for shits and giggles. I mean, how bad could it get? Fafo.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh no! But the other option was so much worse... Right? ... Right‽

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those people never believed that and they have been trolling for over a year while they gleefully watch the world burn. They come into a thread like this and giggle like the edgy teenagers and lonely 20-somethings they are because they've gotten a rise out of you.

They will never feel guilt or shame. The best thing everyone can do is ignore them, forget they exist, and move on.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Right there with you friend.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 4 points 1 week ago
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One of the very few good things he's doing.

[–] asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He has done more to destroy the U.S. empire in 7 months than anyone else in it's entire history. Good riddance, the world will be better off.

I mean, same

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If even half of the 49 countries with US military bases coordinated an attack on said bases, we might be able to actually start the dissolving of the American empire.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That Sun Tzu quote “don’t interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake” comes to mind.

The least effort and greatest impact will come from those countries staying quiet and letting Trump keep doing what he’s doing.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” -Sun Tzu

I'm definitely no military strategist, so I'll concede that I don't know what it would really mean to "attack" those bases, especially when I would always rather see that action taken by the people of the countries rather than their governments without their consent. But is there no value to the assault on many fronts? If there was a coordinated endeavor from 25 different countries to weaken and/or remove US military bases from their land all at the same time, couldn't that split focus enough to actually weaken the US imperial grip?

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Instead you could just like... cancel the leases? I see this "rise up" sentiment repeated a ton and while a romantic image, it just screams that people don't understand how foreign military bases actually work. Like, rise up to get your government to just ask the US to leave. For that too, most US military bases aren't forts or anything, you could effectively neutralize them just by blocking the beer truck from making it's deliveries. There's very little the troops stationed there can do to stop that besides call in the host country to deal with the problem (which is invariably what happens).

The real threats are the five-eyes intelligence gathering facilities - but there's no government in the world that's going to ask those to be removed, I can't imagine what would be persuading them not to...

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I would always rather see the people rising up, and a worldwide revolution would be the most effective way to make real lasting change. But yeah that's pretty solidly a romantic fantasy at this point. That's all it keeps boiling down to. No war but class war.

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