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Like I'd imagine there's gonna be a lot of rain over time if I want this time capsule to last like idk 10 years? 30 years?

Is there like a box so tough its indestructible?

Can animals dig it up if I bury it?

How deep do it bury it?

Is the earth's magnetism gonna affect the hard drive? (Or is there a better medium?)

Like I want this to be like very low budget, I don't have millions to build an actual timecapsule like some organizations have done. Is there some cheap box that's waterproof to protect a hard drive from damage for like 30 years buried in the ground?

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

You must have an amazing porn collection. You can store it on my NAS

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm going to buck the trend here and suggest a really physical storage medium: Print your data out. Or laser engrave it onto sheets of metal or polymer, or whatever you want to do. If you just print pokey old black and white ones and zeros as square pixels on a sheet of 8.5x11" paper at a humble 72 DPI you can store a shade under 47 kilobytes per page without having to resort to any additional trickery. Maybe a kB or two less if you need to leave margins. How much data are you really trying to store?

In a sealed container in the dark you could easily make paper last hundreds of years (we have perfectly intact books sitting on ordinary shelves from the 1800s already), and if you wanted to print on Tyvek or something it'd probably endure thousands.

Reading this back would not be a plug-and-play solution but would have the added advantage of being a purely optical process rather than having to interface with antique storage device electronics on whatever computer you may be using 30 years from now. All you'd need is sheet feed scanner or in a pinch any sufficiently high resolution camera, and the ability to run some kind of programming environment to run a script to read those pixels back into file data.

Maybe this wouldn't be great for archiving your collection of 4k ultra-definition porn, but it'd be absolutely sufficient for storing text and executable data for small programs, plans and schematics, other knowledgy sciency data, and even images... with the added benefit of, if any gestapo thug happens to find this early and dig it up he won't be able to ascertain what that image is just by looking at the piece of paper.

[–] Atlas_@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you actually want to use paper... QR codes. The format is simple, broadly distributed, and has error correction built in. It'll make the whole process a lot easier than trying to roll something yourself.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Another poster here suggested the High Capacity Color Barcode as well, which ought to already have some implementations available somewhere and sports an even higher data density if you're willing (or able) to deal with color.

QR codes are limited to being square in aspect ratio (other than the not terribly helpful "micro rectangular QR" format) and have a maximum payload of ~3kB each. This may not be a great fit for plain consumer paper with a rectangular aspect, and you'd need to jigger some manner of batch reader so's you don't drive yourself insane recovering the data. Neither is an insurmountable problem; I'm just thinking out loud, here.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I’d be wary of one or more colors fading over time unless you are VERY careful with how you print these. Being monochromatic, QR codes don’t have such issues. It would likely also be easier to recover a faded QR code than a colored bar code.

[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I once heard that some printers print (almost) invisible yellow dots on pages, containing data which helps authority track down whoever printed the page. That might be a risk if the data is really sensitive.

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sorry if this is obvious to everyone, but how would having a hidden hard disk help with living in a dictatorship?

Couldn't you just let someone in another country take care of archiving it?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's 8tb of porn and the government will be banning it, and they're hoping it'll pass with time like prohibition did?...

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

If it were me, I'd be skimming a little to sell on the side to take advantage of those black market prices.

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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I’d go with optical media here. Probably multiple capsules.

  • M-Disk (DVD if it will fit, otherwise Blu-ray)
  • Make an encrypted archive of your data. Strong password - I suggest diceware with 8 or more words so you might remember it in 30 years
  • Use DVDisaster to add parity data. You sacrifice some space, but you get error tolerance in exchange
  • Wrap the disks up in good jewel cases, well sealed plastic, along with some good big silica gel desiccant packs.
  • Put all that in the smallest durable, airtight container you can
  • stash somewhere it probably won’t be disturbed for a few decades. Memorize.
  • destroy all evidence you did this.
[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

~~This is terrible advice.~~ Most writable DVDs degrade quickly, even if they're stored away from sunlight and heat. Every single one of my burned DVDs from more than a few years back is completely unreadable.

Update: I missed the very important line about M-DISC. This is critical. I can't vouch for M-DISC personally, but most other optical media is garbage for archival purposes.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No way. Optical media suffer bitrot at a high rate compared to magnetic media. And the means to read it are quickly going obsolete.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (11 children)

That's what the m-disk is for I assume.

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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s pretty dependent on humidity and temperature, so a DVD buried in a well sealed plastic bag with a desiccant pack is actually in good conditions. No light, generally cool, and low humidity are perfect.

A hard drive has a lot of moving parts that must work and are basically impossible to replace. With optical media you’re just storing the platters, and I’m sure you’ll still be able to track down a drive somewhere. You can still find VHS players and those have been obsolete for 25 years.

[–] grayautumnday@lemmy.4d2.org 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What about tape drives? You can still get them, and I have come across articles a few times (which I can't find on a quick search, but I only use DDG now) saying that tape drives written 30-45 years ago, carefully conserved, were still readable after all that time.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I looked into tape drives for my own backups and they don’t make sense unless you’re working with double digit terabytes. We’re talking used old enterprise gear with weird form factors and connectors, I never found something like an external USB tape drive for a reasonable price.

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[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 15 points 6 days ago

My take -- OP is an anti-authoritarian time traveler. Go get em! I hope your data stays safe.

P.s. - want to drop me some winning lottery numbers? My dms are open

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

i think your best bet would just be to brute force it: get a bunch of different media (usb-drives, CDs, hard drives, whatever you can get your hands on and ideally from different brands) and just put the same data on all of them, then wrap in a series of plastic bags that you try to put a vacuum on, put in the most durable water and ideally airtight container you can get your hands on, then again wrap that in some plastic bags because why not.
Then bury all that as deep as you can and surround it in rocks, especially i think you'll want a bunch of rocks on top of it. And for extra points repeat all this as many times as possible in different locations.

All this is just to compound the chances that at least one of the copies of the data will survive, and even if that fails you'll hopefully end up with enough data being intact across the different storage mediums that you can piece the data together somehow, i'm not sure how precisely you'd do that but it's at least possible to figure out so long as the data is there.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There definitely is an advantage to different media types. Each technology has their own limitations. Tape back up, SSD, USB drive, DVD and HD with spinning platers

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 6 days ago (7 children)

SSD would be 100% dead unless you buried it with a power source.

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[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Most of those ideas are not feasible with a very low budget you want because eventually rot will get to the hard drive and thus making the contents unreadable. So -- depending on what you want to preserve -- it's either writable media or printed out in acid-free paper or in microdot negative film, and of those methods, only print media -- written, typed, from a copier, or with a laser printer -- might as well be cheap.

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

If it's small you might try printing the files on archival paper with archival ink. Then you can put copies in multiple safe deposit boxes. Also you could bury copies rolled up in plastic water bottles. I think those are unlikely to degrade anytime soon. Or glass bottles with plastic lids.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Capacity_Color_Barcode

[–] discosnails@lemmy.wtf 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ammo can with silica gel beads.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

I have a question. Is this for you in the future, or for someone who may find it? If it's the latter, and it's just information you want to store, not media, I'd just go with paper. Storing digital data is both hard and error prone, and it also requires them to have the technology and power to read it. If things really go to hell, this isn't a guarantee. Paper ensures they can at least view it no matter what. It'll degrade eventually, but it'll hold up better than digital.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Storage media won't survive that long. Hard drive, when used, last about 5 years, give or take. Unused, I have no idea how long the data will stay consistent but I would not count on anything beyond 10 years

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

As someone who has lost hard drive in the past, encrypt and back up to the cloud.

It is the safest way.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago

The issue with hard drives is that they tend to fail even on ideal conditions and even when powered down. Yes I've lost very important data to a powered down hard drive.

While it's possible to recover information on a hard drive as long as the plates themselves aren't damaged, that requires very expensive specialised tools and skills. Which probably wouldn't be available in a scenario where the information on the drive would be of any value.

DVD-R (and probably consequentially Blu-Rays) aren't any better in my experience, I've lost more data to DVD-R than to hard drives actually. Even when stored in low light conditions they tend to just stop reading.

However optical media has one big advantage here, is that the discs themselves are cheap, so instead of having all your digital eggs in the same basket, you spread them over several discs and while some information may be lost, others may survive.

Now, here's an interesting thought, with digital data, the data either reads or doesn't read, the so called digital cliff, may become partially corrupted and other parts still read, but after the corruption gets past a certain threshold all information is lost.

With analogue equipment even after severe signal degradation the contents while very deteriorated may still be perceptible, forwardermore an analogue signal is much easier to decode in the event that you need to restart ~~civilisation~~ building tech from scratch and don't have access to the very very specific specifications of something like the audio codec or the filesystem.

You can probably hack a rudimentary cassette player together from very simple components, all you need is a tape head (a coil), a motor (a coil and a magnet), and an amplifier (a transistor or vaccum tube). (I'm probably oversimplifying here).

Overall I think the most important thing is having redundancy, or if redundancy isn't possible at least don't have all eggs in the same basket, instead of having everything in a single 8TB HDD, to try spread them into smaller 512GB ones, or DVDs or flash drives or all of the above. And don't store them all in the same location, if an area gets flooded or someone builds a building on top, you're only losing a small part of the information.

[–] zorro@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Any thoughts on tape? Lto tape is designed for 10+ years

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Don't bury it. And don't count on ten years. Thirty years guarantees the media won't be physically compatible with future devices. How would you read a floppy disk from 1995 today? You'd be able to find a USB floppy drive, probably, online. Good luck having the disk be in a format that a modern OS understands. You'd need specialty software for that.

Get two spinning disk drives from major brands like Western Digital or Toshiba (not Seagate, for sure). Get different brands to reduce risk of failure from a manufacturing issue (as in, two from the same batch are likely to have the same failure if there was a production issue).

Send one somewhere abroad where it can be stored in a safe deposit box (hopefully, you know someone who lives in a free-er country). Plan to exchange it with a freshly written drive every three years. Go back and forth like this, completely rewriting the data each time to minimize the chances of bit-rot (look up this term to understand why you're rewriting and exchanging the drives).

This will also address files formats that evolve and eventually become incompatible with future software (thinking proprietary things, not plain text, jpegs, or standardized media files). I did something similar having a family member store music that I recorded (my own, not ripped CDs) in a different state in case of natural disaster at home.

All of this can be done pretty cheap. $200 bucks should cover both drives and at least a couple of years of physical storage at a bank. International shipping will probably be the biggest cost, especially over time.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (4 children)

All modern OSs can read fat16 or fat32, not sure what you think floppy disks used.

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[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

Not difficult, or even expensive, to find a working 20 year old machine with a 3.5" FDD. Also I work at a library and we keep a couple of well bagged USB floppy drives around for profs who occasionally need data retrieval. Hasn't happened in a couple years though. We also have an old Dell for 5.25".

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Or just let it go. Enjoy the present and realize you can't predict the future.

Any situation when an arrangement like this becomes useful, means you'll have much worse and much more important things to concern yourself with.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

so, I would suggest talking with an archivist. Many libraries will have archivists on the payroll (Or know one, anyways) and they'd likely be happy to talk about archival methods.

personally, what I would do- and I make no guarantees that it will work for a decade- is to seal the hard drive (or whatever media,) inside a vacuum bag with a shitload of silica desiccant gel. maybe double bag it with even more silica gel, then place it inside a pelican case. if you double bag, splurge on the indicator stuff and let it sit for a week.

but I'm not an archivist, and they may laugh at my suggestion.

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