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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I play games mostly on my Steam Deck after migrating from Xbox. Didn't want to pay for Internet access to use the Internet I already pay for (Xbox Live).

Battlefield games like BF1 and BF4 used to run on the Deck about a year ago, but then EA toggled something and disallowed any and all Linux distros. Can't remember their reasoning, but something something anti-cheat.

Now me, a paying customer, was fucking pissed. I purchased these games on my Steam Deck to avoid corporate walled gardens like the Xbox, and then EA lock me out of my purchase after the refund period had elapsed. What the fuck????

So I started dual booting Windows 10 on the Deck to regain access to a product I had paid for. Fucking shit I had to do this in the first place.

But now I need to enable Secure Boot to play the new shit, and I have no clue how to do this without bricking my Deck. I'm an engineer, but not the software type. I don't want to fuck around with my gear just to play games.

Client-side AC is a poor solution to cheating that can be solved with server-side AC.

Fuck EA. Fuck M$. Fuck all the corporations that want to run spyware on my devices

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Hm, yeah, it's something every developer should know; client-side validation of input still needs server-side validation, because client-side is not reliable, no mather what you force on them.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 10 points 19 hours ago

Server side anticheats need to be considered. Clientside has been annoying users far too much, and can be bypassed. A combination of both (and I’d like a less intrusive clientside one) would be better

[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It's disgusting, isn't needed, and just plain isn't effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it's just not effective.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

a year ago on Mastodon when EA started locking out games like Apex Legends, BF1, V, 2042, etc from Linux I said "I bet you Microsoft is about to launch a handheld and since they have a deal with EA and Gamepass they want EA Exclusivity on their handheld and to lockout Steamdeck/Valve" sure enough a few months later Microsoft announces their Xbox handheld with Asus.

[–] wizzim 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I am not sure about this conspiracy theory of yours: Microsoft does not want third party applications in the kernel space anymore.

https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes

[–] Natanael 4 points 18 hours ago

Not entirely;

https://github.com/microsoft/ebpf-for-windows

Microsoft just want that 3rd party code to interact in a more predictable way with the kernel

[–] ChaosSpectre@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

More proof that anti-cheat and bans just isn't a working approach.

Almost every cheater I've talked to or seen interviewed has said they do it because they like winning. If thats the case, pushing them away isnt getting rid of them, its making them try to win harder, and they are literally spending money to make that happen.

This means, there is a market for cheaters, one that publishers and devs simply assault instead of realizing they could replace it entirely.

Create a marketplace in your game for cheats. When a player buys a cheat in game, they can turn it on but only in a specific playlist that cheaters get to play in. You dont need to own or turn on cheats to play in that playlist, in case you feel like challenging yourself, but cheaters can use them as much as they want in that playlist. If a cheater wants to go into cheat free playlist, their cheats get turned off by the game and they have to play like everyone else. Cheat free playlists can have cheat detection, and if you are caught cheating then you get banned from cheat free playlists permanently, but you arent banned from the game or the cheat playlist.

This deters cheaters from paying third parties for cheats, gives them a space to experiment in, makes money for the company running the game, and reduces the amount of cheaters in regular public lobbies. It also creates a space of challenge for people who don't cheat, sorta like how people will do no death runs in souls games.

Sure, it isnt a perfect solution, but its far better than punishing every player with invasive tech, while simultaneously letting a market of cheat sellers thrive. For a bunch of capitalists, its wild they haven't realized they are missing out on money with cheats.

[–] TwigletSparkle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 17 hours ago

...alternatively just shadow ban all the cheaters into cheater only lobbies.

[–] Natanael 1 points 17 hours ago
[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I suspect that if you're now playing where everyone else gets the same advantages, that ruins the fun of having cheats

If not and the cheats themselves are just that fun to use, sure, add it in as another gamemode

And yet they have the audacity to block Linux players

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why are people like this. How does this make gaming enjoyable?

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, if I had the skills I'd be doing that as an explicit fuck you to the draconian anticheat bullshit they force on everyone, because what better fuck you than showing all that effort was for naught, especially close to launch.

EA can go fuck themselves with the world's biggest cactus.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For some people the only things that brings them joy are 1) winning 2) making other people suffer

Or developing cheats. It sounds really fun and you get to grow by keeping on top of the anticheat.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 132 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now...

But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they're necessary, think they can't be spoofed.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

Small pp energy.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly, I think the financial incentive is too great these days. People make decent money off this shit

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The cheat developers, yes. Because there is demand. The question though was, why there is demand.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 17 hours ago

There's demand because there's supply.

Build it and they will come.

We have to ask the question if cheat developing wasn't profitable, and even if developers actually operated at a loss, would there be as many cheats on the market as there are now?

[–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 0 points 18 hours ago

Small pp energy.

I don't know what energy this is, but not good either.

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[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 points 5 hours ago

Just clear the CMOS.

I had issues aswell where I couldn't boot, and you wanna know why? Because I didn't follow the step by step instructions EA tells you to follow. Follow those instructions, and it'll work just fine.

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[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (15 children)

So I can’t play battlefield without TPM? I hate tech these days. My Ryzen board doesnt have it. Hence why I’m not on windows 11

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

So you got the spyware without the benefits, that's a hell of a surprise isn't it?

But thank you for your money suckers!

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago
[–] mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm glad I didn't enable Tivoization (Secure Boot) and TPM. Those suck, and actually froze our machines. It's literally useless at this point.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pretty much the same as all the other modern BFs. They all had cheats in the Beta/early release versions. I’ve played and own literally every BF game since the original release of 1942. Cheats have always been present more or less.

[–] brezel@piefed.social 69 points 2 days ago (41 children)

beautiful. fuck secureboot.

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