WomensStuff

I don't think its a good idea. I don't see the appeal of a male inclusive women's space. The rules are what make this community what it is. I doubt I would ever visit the new community. I hear men's unsolicited takes on women far more than I'd like, despite my best efforts. No way I visit a community for more of that.

Women will be at the real womensstuff, men will be at the male inclusive one. It will become a place for men to talk to other men about women. I don't think that's the kind of vibe we should encourage. I also don't see how a space for men to be ignored by women is in any way valuable to them.

I think it would be much better to make a women adjacent community, that is male inclusive, and has its own focus. A male inclusive version of womensstuff is not the way to go.

It's not impossible for a concept like this to work. GirlGamers on Reddit allows men to comment, but not make posts, and the men there are on the whole very respectful. You would occasionally get a toxic guy, but it was pretty infrequent and the moderators removed those comments quick. There are also a lot of moderators on that subreddit.

However, lemmy has a really peculiar monoculture of men who are left wing, but either get extremely defensive whenever someone brings up feminism or are actively anti-feminist.

Case in point: I feel like that group you mentioned kind of already exists, and it's witchesvspatriarchy, which gets brigaded by angry men on the regular, to the point where it's sometimes difficult for that community to operate as it was originally intended. I would be concerned that it would turn into a space where women get drowned out by large brigades of men in the community, and it just becomes an echo chamber where men criticise women and feminist thought; it would be an open fire hose for any moderator on that community.

So I'm just not sure if it would work on Lemmy. At the very least, not until more women start using the platform.

I think x-posting to a mirror community where men can comment on women-only content invites many problems, but most of all it can feel like a violation of the women-only boundary this community has setup.

Imagine a woman who makes a post here, knowing it will automatically be posted to a community with men, does that not immediately raise a question of how women-only this community remains?

Instead I think supportive men and allies should participate in the other women-oriented communities, which are already inclusive, such as !feminism@beehaw.org and !Antisexism@lemmy.today, or if none of those communities have the qualities desired, to create a new community, but not as a mirror of this one.

Why can't the ones who want to support us just support us from afar and let us have our space? I'm not interested in hearing their views on anything I get it in the other 99.99999% of lemmy and the internet. They can make their comm whatever they want but i'm not interested in it.

At first thought it sounds nice, but I agree that having it be tied directly to this community invites a certain element of drama, and possibly undesirable focus. It has the potential to be "WomensStuff posts, now with men".

I'd prefer the sentiment be channeled in to its own thing. Maybe an "AskWomen" or "Womens Support" that would serve a similar function but with a more defined purpose. Having more woman forward communities on Lemmy is a good thing, but what we've got going on here is nice and I don't think it's worth risking the dynamic.

I prefer it the way it is now. I really wouldn't be happy with an automatic cross-post feature. Even if the WomensStuffSupporters community started off with good intentions, I could easily see it getting brigaded by sour men who are looking for targets for their misogyny. Just my two cents.

I mean i like the idea of support but the fact that someone wants a comm they can talk on just because one exists where they can't is a bit cheeky.

"I'll make my own women's stuff! With blackjack and hookers!"

Motive motive motive, how supportive are you if this is your response to the community? "I support wommens but they won't let me do it in the way i want so i'll go make somewhere i can"

Also why ask us instead of, idk, just doing it? Or improving existing comms? We tend to frequent those too.

That's the cynical viewpoint, anyrate. The evil troll in me asks if they can name it "knights in white satin"

I honestly don't see the point. I doubt it would filter out anything because the men who post here either are unable to read so they wouldn't know about the other community or they do it just to troll and those would still just post.

The idea to me personally just feels like giving in to those that endlessly complain about one community out of hundreds where they are not welcome. Why would you have to meet them on the middle ground when there is nothing to gain from it. Just so some fragile egos might possibly be a little less hurt?

Honestly I just feel like not interacting with the lemmy anymore at all because the 90% of the site just feels like a cesspool to me.

I prefer just for woman

Honestly I'm not a massive fan of the idea. I certainly wouldn't be visiting it as its just not something I really need.

If someone wants to open a separate community, I'm not one to stand in their way, I just am not sure what the purpose would be. I feel like most things posted to that community would probably be a better fit in an ask women or general feminist community.

My other concern would be if we're advertising it as some kind of brother community, who is setting the rules and responsible for moderation? Here it's easy to block people posting in bad faith (since it's mostly men), will people over there continue to block these people? I don't mind men chiming in elsewhere, but it would be weird to have it devolve into an "I was blocked there so I'm going to come here to say unsavory things".

TL;DR: I don't mind. I have questions that don't need to be answered but maybe are worth them thinking about, but I like that anyone can start a community on the fediverse and don't want to restrict that. If it ends up going poorly we can just stop associating with that community.

Much love to our mod team. Appreciate you all asking the community and appreciate the guy asking as well.

Sure, they can. However, crossposting should be a no no unless explicitly asked or permitted per post.

Don't necessarily advertise it as a sibling community either before we see how it goes.

I'm all in favour of it, but I don't know how I feel about the crossposting feature.

I'm not comfortable with the gender exclusion we currently have. It's one thing to have a space that is just for one group of people (women). But that's not what we have. The group welcomes nonbinary and trans men; everyone who is not a cis man. So instead of being exclusionary in favor of one group, it's exclusionary against one group, and that doesn't sit right with me.

You can point to the abusive and inappropriate comments we get as proof of why this is necessary - but we're getting those anyway. At this point, the only people being excluded are our allies.

Just my two cents. I know I'm in a minority.

No thanks. I like it the way it is now.