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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wonder how much of that is due to the impression that Democrats are not really standing up to the thugs in our society (Republicans/conservatives).

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

Why would they? They are rich, they’re getting a tax cut, they get to keep insider trading. You think they’re gonna stop the gravy train?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago

You want the billionaires to stop the other billionaires? Lmao. I'm sure they'll talk about it on the next Epstein express.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Americans: "We took all power away from Democrats and gave it to Republicans. Why aren't Democrats saving us from what we did?"

[–] piefood@feddit.online 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Democratic Leadership when they have power: "We can't afford to give you the healthcare/housing/economy/peace/rights that we promised, which is well below the healthcare/housing/economy/peace/rights that you actually need, sorry. Anyway, we're off to spend all your tax money on the military, intelligence agencies, and our rich friends. Good luck out there."

Democratic Leadership afterwards: "Wait, why aren't you voting for us?"

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Americans:

"We didn't get an improvement from Democrats so we are voting for the Republicans who promised to make things worse."

"Oh no, Republicans made things worse! Why did Democrats do this to us?"

[–] piefood@feddit.online 2 points 4 days ago

Well, then why don't Democrats try to improve things for voters? It'd be a nice change of pace, and people probably wouldn't vote for Republicans the next time.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They had four years to hold the last Trump administration accountable and prevent all this.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Democrats in power: “we’re not going to persecute our political rivals because it would set a bad precedent.”

Republicans in power: “we’re going to persecute our political rivals.”

[–] piefood@feddit.online 5 points 4 days ago

I wish it was just "we’re not going to persecute our political rivals...." rather than "We're going to actively support our political rivals, and vote for their policies, and build up the systems that they use to persecute us"

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I agree but what would have also worked is not voting for Trump. But Americans don't take responsibility.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So the 75 million of us who voted against Trump are responsible for the Americans who voted for Trump? We were supposed to convince everyone to vote for Dems? Isn't that the Dems job?

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, this.

Why are people so fucking bad at math

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Democrats do not take responsibility to put in the effort to win voters. Stop victim blaming.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I agree, they could have stopped the mad man. But right now there's a mad man going crazy and they're blaming everyone else. It's wild.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, a whole lot of them even still say things like they voted for Donakd "to shake things up", even as they whine about Democrats not preventing him from doing crazy stuff even they think is stupid and reckless. Well, duh, if you give all the power to the toddler and tie the hands of the adults, bad shit is going to happen, even if it is going to "shake things up". In other words, a whole lot of people decided to fuck around, and now we all get to "find out" along with these bozos.

🤦‍♀️

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Many of them apparently just assumed Project 2025 was fake. Because he said so I guess? I really do not understand why so many people disregarded it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just had someone over the weekend (kinda right-leaning, but not a fan of Taco - I think they claim they voted Libertarian) question the claim that the SAVE Act might disrupt voting for married women that change their names. They said something like "that sounds like the Democratic equivalent of QAnon".

This very same individual questioned the discussions around Project 2025 last year, dismissing it as sounding like "conspiracy theory". I told them you can go look it up, download and READ the goddamn thing. It's no "conspiracy theory". I got a shrug as a response.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago

The shit in P2025 is so vile, that people didn't want to believe it was real.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter what they want to be real or not.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Reminder Democrats passed Trumps budget bill.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 4 days ago
  1. Well then maybe they should've done something while they had that power.

  2. The Democrats have eagerly given up what little power they had to obstruct Trump's agenda.

  3. Political power is about a lot more than the power afforded to one by their political office. The Democrats should be out there whipping the sane two thirds of America into action, not sitting on their asses and sucking off Mango Mussolini.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Have they tried cursing while supporting Israel? I'm sure that will work.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Corporate Democrats: "But we re-branded our feckless, pro-corporate messaging to look more like Mandamis?!?"

[–] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Lol, yeah, they can try again. Maybe go full bore.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

Did they though? The furthest they got was Harris afaics.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

Worked for Fetterman

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As a non-American I sum it up as this: For the last 50 years (that I am old enough to know about) Democrats don't have the answer so they are bad. Republicans don't have the answer but will lie to us every minute of the day to keep us happy so they are good. Then Americans wonder why their country is about to implode.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

"I'm stupid so I am gonna vote for the abusive asshole"

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

So, what are y'all going to vote? Is there a truly mainstream-left alternative? Maybe that third party already exists, maybe somebody saw the sign of the times and started one?

Democratic primary challengers

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For state and local offices? If you are in a blue state likely several. But in red States like here no. Worse they are wanting to gerrymander to get rid of the few non Republicans were have here.

At the national level our only hope is primarying Democrats to force a non corporate puppet. There is no math in presidential elections that allow 3rd parties to contribute to anything useful. If we have elections again. We need solidarity whoever the candidate is to keep the fascists from office again. But a constant push to make national leadership irrelevant will still be needed.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I recently heard how hard it is to even establish a party nationwide. Each state has its own rules, and you really do want the party in every state.

My vision was that maybe there was one that went through all that rigmarole.

But don't get me wrong, come election time I'll support whatever has the best chance of getting Trump OUT and at least promise to undo ALL the damage.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago

Part of it is that there shouldn't be nation wide parties. No single party could ever adequately represent an entire nation. Let alone a single state. And as we can see, none of them do.

When you keep adding more and more layers, town representatives, under county representatives, under district representatives, under state representatives, under federal representatives. Each more divorced from those they're supposed to represent. Each with more power, power which corrupts more. It's insanity to think it can be fixed by some new, equally out of touch national force. Or at least that's the anarchists view.

For my money we need to jettesen the federal and most state level representatives completely. Having groups answerable to their constituents, working with other similarly answerable groups. This is the way. We'll die waiting for any national party to save us. Get with your neighbors, build the local government you wish to see. Encourage others to do the same. Work against the national parties where you can. Show solidarity with the group most likely to beat the worst candidates, even if they happen to be part of a national party.

I know for instance there are some great local elected green party endorsed representatives in blue states. But the national green party is a joke. They spent the last election attacking the one candidate that stood a chance of beating trump. Knowing full well they couldn't. Which combined with all the Democrats self inflicted wounds gave trump a clear path to end all democracy. Which makes the national green party worse than the national Democrats in my book.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 4 days ago

Eh, it's not going to matter because no more free elections are happening under Trump.