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Oh no. They only get to keep 2.8 million? Whatever will they do?
Your home listed at...$4,500,000 is going to cost you $700,000 in taxes? Cry me a river straight to the bank with your remaining $3,800,000. I hope they raise the tax.
Plus they're in their 70's. Pretty sure 3.8 mil will last you the rest of your life.
I'm in my 30s and could make 3.8 million last me the rest of my life. Even if I wasn't good at investing and just put it in an interest checking account earning 1% interest, it would earn 38,000 a year. Which is right around what I make now. There's two of them, and you do have to account for inflation, but it really wouldn't be difficult to get 2-3% return on that and still be able to live off the interest alone.
Everyone in here is ripping these people and ignoring their actual situation and the problem it creates for all of us.
If their profit is that high, they bought decades ago, when the price of a home like this was in the reach of a normal high paid professional. Decades later after raising kids, paying for college, and saving normally, they might not be wealthy, or even rich in cash and investments. This house might be a large majority of their net worth. And guess what? Anywhere they want to move is going to have had the same crazy inflation as their current home. Why would they sell when, after taxes, any place they buy with what's left will be a major step down.
And for their specific example, 55-plus communities usually sell for much less per sqft because they come with huge HOA fees to fund all their amenities. Generally people expect to pay these fees with the difference between the sale of their old home and the new one. They might not be able to afford the HOA fees after taxes.
They've got two choices: They can sell and either make up the taxes with their savings, drastically reducing their standard of living (if they're even able to do that, don't forget if they take 700k out of a 401k all at once they'll get wrecked in taxes that year) or move somewhere shittier with the after tax proceeds. Or stay in their too large home, keeping it off the market. Edit: I forgot a commonly used option; keep the old place, rent it out and charge enough to pay the mortgage on the new place and property tax, HOAs, and maintenance on both (and why not a little profit too?), further fucking the market.
Empty nesters staying in their family homes keeps them off the market driving up the costs for young families and everyone else in the market as a whole.
As far as a solution goes, I'm not a fan of a larger exemption. I would advocate a special account for home sale profits, kind of like an HSA or a 529, that could only be used tax free for qualified expenses like purchasing a home, property taxes, and HOAs. But anything that encourages older people to leave their too-large homes for something more suitable would help the market for everyone.
If you can't get past "boo hoo rich people problems," cut the numbers in half, or more. The problem persists. In California a profit in excess of 500k (250k for a single person) after decades of living in a modest family home is not at all rare. Many normal people who are not rich by any stretch find themselves in this situation.
My MiL was in this exact situation (selling and moving to a 55-plus community), and she is not rich. To make the numbers work I had to make her investments higher risk/higher reward than they should be for her age to allow for larger withdrawals. Luckily she has my wife and I to make up the difference if it goes tits-up, but not everyone has that luxury.
700k is 20% of 3.5 million
That leaves 2.8 million
If put into savings with a 4% annual interest rate, that is 112k per year
And they are complaining?
You fucking kidding me?
The first $500k is taxed at a lower rate, so they're actually making more than that on the sale.
2.8 million dollars is more than most people have the ability to save for retirement in the first place.
They want us to cry for them because their payout from a single asset after tax is more than the average middle class retirement account?
Get fucking real, if anything this makes me think the capital gains tax is too low for their bracket.
Agreed... this couple isn't hurting either way.
However as they said the limit hasn't changed in almost 20 years. For most older people in America their home is the single most valuable possession and what many have to sell when they are unable to care for themselves and have to go into some kind of care facility. For people living in a HCOL area, their home can easily be many times more valuable than their savings and their primary or only asset of significant value, and a $1M house is a starter home.
It makes sense for the limits to be increased, but the couple that's the subject of this article doesn't deserve anyone getting teary-eyed.
Yeah that exemption always seemed pretty high, but as a newly single person (where the exemption is cut in half) in a high cost of living state where home prices have been rising excessively, and I’ve owned my home long enough to raise kids (and increase value a lot) ….. yeah it’s easier to see the other side. I’m ok but far from wealthy, and need to downsize in order to afford retiring, but would also be hit by capital gains.
Given what home prices have been doing and this exemption never changing, it’s no longer realistic. Now it’s not just the wealthy
I'm all for increasing the limit and also increasing the tax rate. Costs have gone up, period, but that doesn't mean rich schmucks shouldn't still be paying more
Also at their age they could live on that money until they die. I hope an earthquake takes out the home making it worthless. Fucking greedy bastards. They are Fucking 71.
Where exactly is this a dystopia? The part where rich people too have to pay taxes?
I guess you're mistaken, /r/aceoandultrawealthydystopia is a different sub.
The fact that the house is woth that much in the first place. Thing is owning a single home doesn't make you rich, since you need a home to life, you can't get that money unless you're willing to downgrade. Now these people are, but the tax is limiting their options. Real estate should be taxed while you have it, not when you sell.
Couple are set to make $3.5 million in profit, are asked to pay tax, say no and greedily hoard their asset some more and cry about the hardship.
Fuck off.
They should be asking themselves why they haven't done more to give back to the society that gave them so much, but instead they're whining about a meager 20% tax on staggering profits. Instead of lowering capital gains, it should be raised, over a certain threshold. Hell, we should be taxing the wealth they just have sitting around so that we can show wealthy people like these two shameful selfish pricks what it feels like to really contribute.
In other words, their house would sell for at least 3.5 million. Where exactly is the problem?
3.5 million is the increase in value over what they paid. That means they were making well over $100,000 every year for the past three decades, and they are complaining about paying cap gains.
Fucking Boomers.
Although increasing the exemption amount to peg inflation does make sense.
Also, fucking Business Insider for running this obvious tripe.
Not surprising from an outlet created by DoubleClick founders and a guy who is barred from exchanges due to securities fraud.
They don't want to contribute to society, even at a lower rate than wagies.
Just weeks after Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced a bill to eliminate the federal capital gains tax on home sales, Trump said the effort could help juice housing market sales amid persistently high interest rates.
This is exactly the problem.
The tax is only 20%, like you get to keep the other 80%. That sounds pretty good to me.
Ohh no they have to pay taxes? Was this written by a toddler?
I swear to go, people are so disgustingly greedy i have little hope without a thorough revolution.
Growing desperate to move, the Friedmans finally put their house on the market in May for nearly $4.5 million.
So in other words it is taxed substantially less than income... Even though it is clearly a form of income... Cry me a river...
They are soooooo poor 😭 😭 😭 i can't contain my sadness over this unjust tax 😭 😭 😭 Their house is worth 🤑4,5 million dollars🤑, and they don't want to 😡subsidize the state😡, that would be 👿evil socialism👿 ‼️ ‼️ ‼️
damn, i wish i had that problem.
This is the dumbest fucking article, holy shit. Fucking boomers. Cry more about paying the already generously low LT cap gains tax. Jesus fucking christ.
The one thing that would turn my exhausted ire into joyful schadenfreude is if they equity-leveraged the shit out of it, and didn’t understand that this would hit them in the balls when they eventually sold.
I wish the boomers would just die already. At this rate I’m going to live my whole life under their greedy little thumbs
Yeah. My wife and I paid roughly 38% on the 120k we made last year through grueling hours and hard work.
These old fuckers should pay at least that much in taxes on the house they made millions on just by living in it.
I pay zero taxes if I were to sell my house. Because I don't own a house, I can't afford one. I'm forced to rent.
My boomer parents constantly complain their pension is shit. They have to watch their spendings, they tell me. They live in a big house, surrounded by water and nature (in the Netherlands, so expensive AF), with a sailing boat AND an expensive motorboat in front of their house, an SUV and caravan, they completely remodeled their garden including expensive fences, they go on holiday about 5 times a year, they got solar panels and heat pump installed, got a new kitchen, bathroom and toilet, expensive automated sun screens for all their windows (all around the house). But they are treated like shit with their poor pension. My dad bought his first house when he finished his studies, my mom never had to work anymore as my dad made more than enough to support a household of 5, we always lived in middle class neighborhoods, we went to private schools. But they complain they have to buy fuel to come visit me, so they rather have me visit them instead. I live in social housing and struggle every month paying my bills. They never gave me a penny as soon as I left the house as I'm a major disappointment, even though I'm financially and mentally struggling (autism, ADHD, PTSD). They even changed their will because I'm such a disappointment so I will get the bare minimum and my perfect younger brother gets almost everything even though he makes loads of money every month.
I don't give a fuck. I don't want anything from them when they die. I'm not complaining about not getting anything. I'm just complaining their love for me is measured in success and that they are privileged fucks who constantly complain about their sad rich lives while many others are actually struggling and they don't give a fuck about them. They are an example of what's wrong with society. I broke off all contact with them. Fucking boomers. They even turned full right wing racists even though their parents and grandparents fought in the resistance during the second world war and got deported and tortured to death by the nazis in concentration camps.
I guess all the boomer parents are like that. I have a really good relationship with my parents, but they wouldn't help me out when my boyfriend and I bought a flat. Went as far as telling me that I'm trying to rob them, because maybe I can't afford the flat and then the bank will take their houses. I told them the bank just can't do that and they didn't believe me until they went to talk to a lawyer. And best part is, now they always say I'm not thankful because I will inherit their houses and they build them for me? And their parents were really poor small scale farmers, still they saved up to help them with their first home. As you can tell I'm still bitter about that.
Capital gains tax of up to 20%.
What's 5x 700,000 ?
"The Friedmans finally put their house on the market in May for nearly $4.5 million"
Cry me a fucking river, boomers.
Enough that they shouldn't fucking care.
Yeah, and the tax is only on the profit they make, not the entire selling price.
Yeah but profit is just how long you’ve lived there
Oh jesus fucking christ.... sell the damn thing. They'll still walk away with $2.8 million in their pockets that they can't currently spend. They're just being stupid greedy fucks who can't bear the idea that it could become even more valuable if they wait longer.
Nearer $3M as the first $500k is deductible, but mind those closing costs.
Sounds like they can afford it if they're rich enough to own that house.
Yep that's how taxes fucking work
The unfair part of this is that the $500k threshold for the tax hasnt been updated since 1997.
In 1997 the average price for a house in California was about 180k now its $800k. If the tax was the same ratio it now wouldnt apply until the house was worth about 2.2mil (napkin math, I'm not getting out the calculator) Now I'm not saying they arent crying about a problem many of us would kill to have but thats a difference of about $340,000 in taxes.
There's nothing even remotely unfair going on here
What makes this even worse is the article doesn't mention all the money this couple saved by not paying rent for the duration of their home ownership. So not only would they make profit on the sale, they didn't have to pay rent for all those years, and instead got to keep that money, which puts them at a much bigger financial advantage than folks who can't afford a home in the first place.
Boomer couple is doing boomer things.