Me, a new Linux convert, watching all the infighting over minutiae:
this post was submitted on 06 Aug 2025
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"I love a good sitcom!"
"Oh, what's your favourite? Friends? Seinfeld? Fesh Pince?"
"None, it's wayland-protocols"
A sitcom about linux developers who constantly argue about minutia could actually be fun if written correctly. They could borrow a bunch of real life incidents and write them in.
GNOME: "...and that's why I think client-side decorations are the greatest. What do you guys think?"
The camera zooms out to reveal all other desktop environments staring, stone-faced, at GNOME. After a moment, KDE speaks up:
"You really can't help putting your foot in your mouth."
Laugh track plays at 300% volume, followed by the Seinfeld outro.
Make the seinfeld outro deep fried, like that thomas the tank engine tune and you got yourself a deal buckaroo
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There's a Youtube channel that mostly just follows the wayland bug tracker.
Please link?
Ouch, I don't follow him, YT just sends me the videos all the time.
It's officially about Linux, so I'm not sure I've got it right. I think it's this one:
Be careful:
And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
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Linux users are peaceful* and level-headed*.
* barring discussions about Wayland, X11's obsolescence, Systemd, Pipewire, Rust in the kernel, or even UEFI at times
Donβt forget arch btw
It's NixOS and CachyOS these days.
Do you even nix, bro? I have Nix on my company issued Windows laptop inside WSL, btw.
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I tried to use Wayland. My windows flickered to black. I switched to X11. No issue. I'll try Wayland again next year. -casual Linux user
Narrator voice: "Six years later, they still haven't tried it again."
I try every year and every year I get a different result. Currently on Wayland, next year's update might force me back to X.
Love the Wayland stability.
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The thing is, one of the big root causes behind those fights is also a root cause of what makes Linux and FOSS so great: The devs care about the software and its users. Their priority is making the right decision for the application and its users. That's a pretty stark contrast to certain other mainstream operating systems where the primary stakeholders are not the devs or the users -- it's some third party a thousand miles away who only cares whether the dev teams' decisions sprinkle a few more dollar bills on top of their cash mountain.
I'm not part of those fights and defending them, btw. I just use Mint and appreciate their efforts!
It beats the alternative of Microsoft's support forums where thousands comment for weeks straight INCLUDING paid Indian "representatives" who ask for user diagnostic tool output, copy/pasting the same reply eleventeen thousand times a day, on a post from 8 years ago BUT not a single person has ever posted their solution EXCEPT "I reinstalled Windows."
have you tried running sfc /scannow ?
oh, it succeeded? uh, run dism /online anway, that should work
This was such a frustrating experience. I could probably count on one hand how many times I found a useful solution that wasnβt just copy paste
What's great about the drama is you can just ignore it and everything still works.
I love the drama :3.. gives me a great sense of schadenfreude. Unless the devs whose side im on are losing the debate
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This is the way. "I just use Linux" is what I always say.
I'm considered tech support for my team at work, their always saying things like "well you're the Linux guy so you know how this stuff works". And then I have to explain "I just use Linux, I don't write the code, plus these are windows machines so it's completely different issues, and lastly I just type the problem into Google read the results and then tell you what I read"
Them: well you are still tech support because I don't know how to do that.
Me: wait you don't know how to type into Google.....no you know what fine, I'm tech support, tell management so I can get a raise.
Hi, former tech support (now cybersecurity) here. You /are/ tier one tech support. You handle it pretty much how they do, knowledge base documents and searching for solutions online. If things get really bad they might poke around directly and see if they can find a root cause before they escalate.
That doesn't mean they can demand you do anything, but it does mean you shouldn't underestimate yourself :)
Hey thanks. I had always heard the joke that the majority of tech support was knowing how to phrase Google searches, but thought it was a joke....I get the sense it's more a funny fact.
Funny enough, I've done the poking around bit too, both in person and more commonly now remotely. And yeah nobody has demanded anything.... so far, lol. If I'm busy, or just have no clue what they're talking about, I just say that to them and tell them to call our outsourced help desk. So far everyone just drops their head and accepts my answer then makes the call and spends the next 2 to 3 hours deciding if they really need this job.
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Fighting means that you care.
Me following the recent bcachefs drama
(Kent is objectively in the wrong & slightly bat shit, if you follow his many discussions in various forums where he defends himself)
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Ok what is it this time? What did I miss
More like the reverse in my experience. Users fight each over the most petty things
I think it's mostly the other way around. The developers are chill while the user base frothing with tribalism
I think the tribalism is mostly in jest. I've never actually seen two Linux users seriously fighting over their preferred distro or init system or whatever.
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It's both.
Christoph Hellwig, a kernel contributor, and a bunch of anti-Rust fossils, were sabotaging Rust-for-Linux projects for using their C APIs for months until Torvalds intervened, and have been actively hostile and abusive against R4L contributors until they left the project. Summary by Aussie Linux Man.
XLibre, headed by a... shall we say, interesting figure, has attracted a rabid fanbase who are frothing at the mouth and calling Wayland woke DEI garbage that will destroy Linux. The first day of the git repo saw threats of gun violence, the antisemitic (((triple parenthesis))) dog whistle, openly transphobic statements by non-developers, and the owner's commitment to allow all of that under the banner of being "non-political". More context here, in the comments.
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I love it when old crusty maintainers obstruct the progress of memory safe (read: Rust) code in the Linux Kernel!!!
Then venting your frustrations about that on Mastodon gets you labeled a brigading "maybe you are the problem" by Linus ((:
It's like going to a restaurant for a particular atmosphere. Just another Tuesday here. Eat your meal and move along.
I dunno. As a supporter of Asahi from the week the Patreon was launched, Iβm pretty bummed that the lead dev got disheartened and dropped off. Kernel devs protecting fiefdoms (by blocking Rust adoption) do not a happy user make (for me).
I'm sure there's drama within any sort of closed source software company too. Although most of that drama will instead be project managers (the evil of this world) forcing their bullshit into the face of developers, until those developers burn out and start a potato farm.
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