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Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot
I don't get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn't care about what tools I use, as long as I got the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
Because like AI, your CEO is a tool.
Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.
I don't think these CEOs have quite figured out that LLM developers are creating something that can more easily replace a CEO than a developer.
Return? No, there is no return on investment from AI. If there really was a return to be had from Devs, you wouldn't have to force them to use it.
This is a saving face and covering their asses exercise. Option 1 is "We spent the money, nobody's using it, the bubbles gonna burst", the other choice is "if we can ramp up the usage numbers before the earnings call, we can get some of that sweet investor money to buy us out of being mauled by our shareholders".
It's shitty management, making shitty decisions to cover up their previous shitty decisions
Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done?
Not just that... why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?... the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going
I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.
It's not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It's about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.
If AI actually accomplishes what it's being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.
tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care
They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
Accurate description of most managers i've encountered.
This part really stuck out for me:
This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
If hype doesn't work, try threats!
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
We will see corporate douche.
CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.
Don't worry, they're gonna eat themselves doing shit just like this. It's not a matter of if, but when.
"AI" has it's uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they're selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.
Hard agree. AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away. Sadly this also will be accompanied with a IT/Software "sinkhole" because many who were competent in the field will have moved on to the next thing as the jobs wern't there anymore.
Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but when COVID occurred they started being treated like tools, medical facilities started having to pay mad amounts of money on traveling staff that jumped from facility to facility due to it to even partially make up for it as many left the field. Jump to today, the problem still exists, an educated field like IT or nursing can't have an event that results in tons of people leaving the profession, as you can't just snap your finger and get that knowledge back. It will take years to regain that trust and get people back into the fields again.
Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
Codeberg is so nice.
But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they're faster, but reality is different. So it's the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn't really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate "fake it till you make it". Because, if this thing implodes, it'll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.
Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.
Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.
Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.
AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves? You train AI on AI-generated code? Sounds like expected enshittification down the line. Inbreeding basically.
Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can't allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who don't depend on AI adoption.
Contradictory to the title, this message is not to the developers, developers don't care what github ceo thinks, and they should know it. This might be for the management of other companies to allow using ai or force ai usage.
such an easy choice ......
(edit: I followed up and got out. This too is now self-hosted and codeberg when needed)
Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don't need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.
"Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many"
No shit, man.
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?
Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?
Ima tell him…
At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.
Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.
Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
does "embracing AI" means replacing all these execs with it? or is it "too far"?
Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal
real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor's money, because AI is just a hype"
I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.
Message to Github CEO: your job is one thing AI is best at.
While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.
I’ll feel a lot like this:
Two words: good fucking luck!
I asked an AI to generate me some code yesterday. A simple interface to a REST API with about 6 endpoints.
And the code it made almost worked. A few fixes here and there to methods it pulled out of it's arse, but were close enough to real ones to be an easy fix.
But the REST API it made code for wasn't the one I gave it. Bore no resemblance to it in fact.
People need to realise that MS isn't forcing it's devs to write all code with AI because they want better code. It's because they desperately need training data so they can sell their slop generators to gullible CEOs.
Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?
You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?
If those are my two options...start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.
Would AI be better CEO's? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don't need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.
