Was looking forward to reading the discussion but it seems like none of the AI proponents actually read it and kept repeating the same arguments as they always have been
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Meh not sure it’s even pro or contra. It’s just happening and it’s gonna get better at what it’s doing. I find the whole 10x debate a bit ridiculous because 10x of what exactly? How are you even measuring the 1x in order to determine what would be 10x of that?
That being said, I’ve seen some crazy things, like an entire backend + frontend + dashboards + data warehouse with lots of pipelines + devops being run by a single dev at scale at one of our clients. With AWS or Cloudflare and enough AI budget such things are actually possible. But then you’re looking at a bill of $3-5k / month spent on AI.
Personally I like it for doing stupid repetitive refactoring or feature implementations. Say, I wanna add a new API endpoint so I tell it implement this new endpoint and stand up a service layer based on what all existing endpoints are doing, or I wanna migrate from one testing framework to another. It’s mostly gonna 1 shot it and run all the checks automatically until they pass. Or if I need to dive into the database I can let an agent sift through all the tables and get me a report while I go and make a coffee or work on something else.
I think it can be really useful if you know what you’re doing and it can make your life much easier if you learn where it can help you and where not, and that’s it. It’s just a tool that may or may not help you being more productive.
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o rly.
These people were using ✨agentic✨ AI. They were using ✨thinking✨ models
The A"I" industry is full of those misleading buzzwords, isn't it?
"Agentic" would be theoretically "able to take decisions by itself, like an agent", but in practice the word is spammed so often in this context that it lost its meaning.
"Thinking"? Look, you can push and pull definitions as much as you want, but those models don't think. Nor do people who claim otherwise.
So are the AI-posters lying or what?
I think the AI-posters are a mix of the following, in order of least to most malevolent: Outright Malice\
Stop trying to gauge "intentions" (whatever this means). Focus on the fact that they're vomiting certainty on something that is blatantly incorrect.
Eventually every vibe coder reaches the point where the returns start heavily diminishing.
From my experience as translator, translating things is easier than proofreading. I expect the same to apply to code - writing code to be easier than reviewing and maintaining it. (What programmers in Lemmy often say reinforce this for me.)