This is what countries without a good social support network look like. It's either government or younger generations that take care of elders. The US used to be government with retirement and social security but there's a shift and US kids were not raised in a social situation that supports elderly, so it's going to be a hard transition. The US has forgotten what the government was established for.
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My eighty year-old parents are driving for DoorDash. In my car.
If they don't, this supposedly 'free' country of ours will allow banks to force them onto the streets where they will be left for dead.
Fuck capitalism.
Yeah well old people are the reason old people have to work like this
To be fair, oppression has existed in every generation. We are not immune, polling makes that very clear. As another example, the leaders of the generation that made the post world war 2 boom did everything in their power to prevent black people from benefitting. Just like the leaders of the baby boomers and silent generation decided to fuck over poor people and begin the regression to another gilded age in the 1970's.
And when you're old you'll be the reason why other old people get blamed for the shit state of the world by the younger people.
Whew. I'm so glad this couple wasn't subject to the horrors of socialism! Only capitalism can keep them gainfully employed until they are near-death. No other economic system can even compare!
Don't forget that capitalism is literally the only viable economic system, full stop. Before its advent in 1463 by Bernard H. Capital, nothing worked, anywhere, for tens of thousands of years. The world was in turmoil. Cats associated freely with dogs, the Keebler elves were not properly enslaved, and humans lived on a diet of pine needles, grubs, and sea water. Pure madness.
Remember: Capitalism came about from rich merchants and lords realizing that citizens were starting to get murdery about their tyrranical monarchs so they basically said “hey, what if we make a system based on money that technically everyone has but where the shear amount of wealth we have in comparison means that we’re basically still monarchs without monarchy?”
Which, to relate to your comment, is to say that the system hasn’t meaningfully changed and we’ve had “capitalism” for a long, long time(and it’s sucked the whole time it was happening!)
in before a republican tries to sell this as excellent work ethics, patriotism and american dream
At least its not being presented as a feel good story. Still remember bush brining up the person with three jobs as inspiring.
I hate seeing old people working at establishments like grocery stores. It is the saddest representation that our system does not work. They should be living their life traveling, spending time with family, or gardening. No one should have to work into their 60's.
Welcome to what younger generations realized a decade ago or more. Most of us will never own a home or retire. I plan to end it when my life becomes unbearable in old age rather than be a slave to the system. That’s why, even though we (spouse and I) financially save for the future, I live for now. We (collectively) have no future. Accepting it is easier than being depressed about it.
Note: this doesn’t mean I don’t do what I can to try to save our (collective) future. It’d be selfish not to try.
Somebody launch my carcass through a billionaires front window please when I'm old.
Only if I can strap dynamite to you first.
My retirement plan is assisted suicide (in Canada, of course). Feels weird to be saving for death, but this is the reality we live in. What else can I do? Wait until I can't work anymore and can't pay my mortgage and hydro bill? And then what, hang myself in the barn? Fuck that, I want to go out high af and feeling no pain.
this just makes me wonder even more why people aren't more open to direct (violent) action. Seriously if this is the outlook, what is holding people back?
Genuine abhorrence of violence. Even though I think (know) it's the only way we can overcome the lying, cheating, violent bastards on the other side, growing up in an abusive home makes the idea nauseating to me.
I do believe we'll reach a point where we have no choice, though I fear that will happen when it's too late.
Also, conditioning by mass media over a lifetime.
We've been brainwashed to believe things like vigilantism are bad and that violence should be avoided at all costs because it makes you a bad person. Republicans are out there forming militias and the left is sitting on its hands hoping that their corrupt and weak fisted leadership will solve all their problems. We are so fucked its almost funny. All we can really do now is hope that it gets so bad that it finally snaps the masses out of its complacent stupor and into some sort of real action beyond just standing around holding signs like a bunch of naive idiots.
I feel sorry for the 81 year old and her husband. However, they have made nearly every wrong financial decision over most of their lives.
- In 1994 husband was making $90k a year and quit that job to start up a band and teach music lessons
- They bought a fixer-upper house in 2002 to flip it, except they still had it in hand in 2008 when the real estate market crashed
- They had $75k in the market prior to the crash, and sold it all at the bottom of the market before the rebound.
- They never saved more than $10k in a 401k
- They defaulted on their mortgage in 2015 and lost he house, but did gain $115k from the forced sale.
- They declared bankruptcy (it doesn't say when). Usually this protects the house, as in you're not kicked out. So I can't quite square why the house was forced for sale if they were under bankruptcy protection. This is a clue they had a lot more debt than just the house.
- "The income from a side business Lydia had started to help people downsize their homes, and the piano lessons that Bill gave, weren't enough." This was 2015 and at best their only income was a couple small side hustles. Admittedly they were in their early 70s at this point.
- Even today it looks like they're spending over 20% of their income on car related expenses (payment, insurance, gas).
- They're also still living in Connecticut which looks to be more expensive place to live. A quick Google search of West Virginia 55+ one bedroom apartments go for $450-$900. So they could probably cut their rent in half if they moved to a cheaper city/state.
They've truly had some horrible timing and luck, however I truly hope their situation improves.
Who gives a shit? No one should have to spend their 80s working
I understand the sentiment but what he is saying is also important. Imagine, starting tomorrow everyone above 60 will get 5000 dolars every month. Will this couple in particular be able to live with it or will they make more bad choices.
I'm 100% pro supporting the retired community but Financial literacy is also very important, otherwise it doesn't matter how much money you give them.
It's so important to teach finamcial literacy from an early age
edit: just to add I'm not american. My.mother is 70yo and in my country retirement is supported by the government, but she still makes shitty choices from time to time.
That's why you don't give out money, you subsidize what people need in their age - rent, mobility, care. You can't make wrong decisions with money that is bound to services - it also means whatever comes, they are neither threatened by homelessness nor isolation. But that would be socialism, and we know how the US thinks about that, regardless of consequences like letting old people die in the streets.
Dude im in my 30s and I hate moving. You cant just up and move to a different state that easily, especially at that age.
Were they supposed to use their crystal ball to predict the 2008 grift and subsequent rebound?
In your list, nearly everything that comes after that is a symptom of trying to navigate financial hardship.l and being old enough to face age discrimination in the job market.
A quick Google search of West Virginia 55+ one bedroom apartments go for $450-$900.
Bwah ha ha. This may surprise you, but one of the reasons apartments are so cheap in WV is that there are no jobs in WV. And definitely not jobs for octogenarians.
You might be able to make an argument for this grandma, but there are countless others. You can't deny we have a systemic problem that leaves seniors out in the cold
You might be able to make an argument for this grandma, but there are countless others. You can’t deny we have a systemic problem that leaves seniors out in the cold
My comments are only about the couple in the article. The reason that is important is that the couple in the article are not the archetype we need to solve for. Its, as you point out, all the countless others. In effect, we should not look at this couple to see how to solve the problem of our senior citizens not able to age/live gracefully.
Why is it that every comment chain about an unfortunate event has at least one callous person who is obviously victim blaming but trying their best to downplay it?
I'll ask you directly, why are you doing this, partial_accumen? Are you trying to convince yourself that this couldn't happen to you? Are you perhaps trying to convince yourself to stick with your soul-sucking yet decent paying job? What's your motivation?
"I feel trapped working, but I can't stop working," Lydia says, sitting up to cuddle her basset hound, Brigette. Her husband, Bill, gives her a kiss but lets her be. The 90-year-old would like to get a job to help Lydia pay the bills, but because of health problems, there's little he can do.
"I feel so guilty that I can't work," Bill says.
"You can't work because of your age and your health issues," Lydia snaps back. "There's no sense feeling guilty about it."
'Murica
On Reddit this would be an uplifting story about how Home Depot employs the elderly to help them pay medical bills.
Most of the MSM outlets report it that way, and it always feels ghoulish as fuck to me.
Hi,
Welcome to the Universe. You get to exist for a comparatively extremely short blip of time before you return to the nothingness forever. Despite incredible advances in technology and subsequent major increases in productivity we're going to need you to continue working right up until you return to the nothingness. Thanks for your cooperation!
LOL
loser country
Man that sucks.
However I have to be that person and say I know people who wasted tons of money on stupid shit and made dumb choices even though they had advisors helping them, and are working at Walmart in their 70s because of it. Those people shouldn't be rewarded with regular Joe's money. Now, billionaires can foot that bill, like they should everything. But dont punish the 99.9% (which is what will actually happen. And why people are afraid of liberals in office. No one seems to get that, and thats why the right keeps winning. It needs to be clearly stated in the lefts playbook that anyone making under a billion dollars will be left alone. Then they may have a chance.)
Keep in mind these are not my thoughts, these are my observations of the Common Person in red states.
I'm about to turn 52 and I've known my whole life that I'd never get to retire.
This generation needs to pick itself up by their bootstraps and remember that work dignifies. 81 years young! /s