What's crazy is that Poe's "somehow" was thoroughly explained in all the expanded universe content that Disney threw in the garbage. They had an opportunity to adapt existing stories that were well-written and successful, and they said "fuck this shit" and tried to write their own story. But then the story they came up with was the same fucking story, only they didn't lay any of the groundwork to tell that story.

It would be more like, I dunno, some mega conglomerate trying to make a Second Age tv series without using the Silmarillion or the Unfinished Tales, so they were just like "Somehow, Númenor fell."

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Force Unleashed books/games are what you are referring to I believe? They had some great cloning lore.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

No I'm pretty sure he's talking about the legends books. The Timothy Zahn ones in particular.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Force unleashed is legends, and it establishes that jedis/sith can and are cloned. Starkiller or Galen Marek is the Characters.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes I'm familiar. However it did not establish that. That had already been established years before. Because cloning had been a thing in the Timothy Zahn books and in other Legends stories. The ones the other guys referencing there.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Really any of it would have been better than the Sequels bullshit.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Not cloning, that was the ability to transfer spirits, which is one part, but cloning is far more important lore wise, and how Palps was able to stay alive. Zahns he would get a different body every time.

Or you’re referencing a future timeline, which doesn’t mean it exists in the past, Force Unleashed is the Chronological point where it’s established as possible in the universe.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

No actual cloning. Cloning pods and everything. That was Zhan in the Thrawn trilogy. The cover of Heir to the Empire even has a clone right in the center. They even clone Luke in that series. Named him Luuke which is a Zhan facet I hope Filoni doesn't keep.

Which again is what OP was referencing. How Dave Filoni is basically recreating Zhan's books. And others of course.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Over 10 years earlier in the Timeline.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Those take place wayyyy in the future past force unleashed, yes Zahn establishes it later in chronological time, but Force unleashed is the earliest it’s done, before that it wasn’t confirmed, and in fact, specified you can’t clone midichlorians up and until this story. It was specified, because the Jedi truly believed that, but sith powers are always going one step further.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No man the Timothy Zahn books were written long before forced Unleashed. If you're arguing Force Unleashed came before the Zahn books in the chronology sure but that seems so silly of an argument to make I assume that's not what you mean. You can't establish something if it's already been in the continuity. So clearly that can't be it. Especially since using that same logic cloning was first done in attack of the Clones.

Also that all seems extremely irrelevant to the point. Which is the stories that Star Wars is hovering around are the Timothy Zahn books and the ones directly related to them. Very clearly.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You can't establish something if it's already been in the continuity.

What…?

If FTL exists in a story, and stated it doesn’t exist in a previous story as well, how does that mean it already exists during that time frame? A story in Chronological order is the way it can be established. What a weird take dude. It can only exist from the point in universe where it’s brought in. Ie The Force Unleashed timeframe. You can retcon stuff like you an are suggesting, but it’s also obvious it was never previously meant that way, and why it has a specific term for it.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What a bizarre mindset. Something's established when it's introduced. For the first time. To the audience. The fact that you can retcon things later to change the timeline doesn't alter when something is established. A New Hope established the idea of Star Wars. Charles Soule didn't establish Star Wars because his book is the first in the current continuity. It was George Lucas.

Hell by your logic if a retcon can change when something's established then retconning invalidates both the Force Unleashed and the Timothy Zahn books, the old ones I mean, because they've both been retconned not to have happened. Therefore neither established anything. It's just a silly line of reasoning.

All of which again is beside the point.

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

While The Force Unleashed 2 shows the emperor experimenting with cloning force sensitives, the main story of the emperor returning and Luke trying to find out how is Dark Empire.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 3 points 5 days ago

9 fingers 9 rings.