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I signed the petition but I had zero belief it would actually result in anything.
We don't actually live in a democracy, that's just something they tell us while they do whatever the bloody hell they want.
Meanwhile Nigel Farage is just racking up these own goals while getting ready to sell the whole country in three years time.
Crossing my fingers for the Corbyn party...
Hmm, I'd be a little more enthused if he wasn't on the side of Russia.
Not going to defend him on this but hey, if there's any politician who might do what the people want, it would be Jeremy Corbyn.
Not going to define him on this
Why not? Honestly fuck that.
Sorry, typo, meant to say defend not define.
Oh! Well that's a totally different slant haha! Thanks for the clarification.
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I mean 122,000 out of 60 million isn’t a lot.
Could likely get 5 million to say banning people based on colour is a good idea, but I don’t agree.
Only need 500 (out of 40mil) + one MP sign off for the government to legally have to respond in Canada. They don't have to say yes but they have to officially acknowledge you at least. I was pretty surprised by how low that threshold is.
It's only like 10k here too, but the response is always "we have no plans to change anything"
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The purpose of online petitions is to provide a means for people to psychologically discharge their righteous anger at something and need to be heard about it, by "doing something", with a "something" which the politicians can safelly ignore.
It's a lot harder to ignore large demonstrations and even harder to ignore people activelly campaigning at the grassroots level in their electoral circles to make specific asshole politicians loose their seats, so best have the ~~plebes~~ citizens discharge their anger on some automated online straight-to-trash People's Will recorder.
Wait until you hear about protests
Just don't inconvenience anyone in any way.
Being slightly irritating is a terrorist activity now.
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but why
Because there is nothing legally binding about petitions.
If petitions (= begging) are the highest level of what people can do between two elections, something about the system is fundamentally broken.
Thats why guillotines exist.
There's a few steps between begging and guillotines.
But yes, politics exists on a spectrum.
Traditionally it's
- Soap Box
- Ballot Box
- Jury Box
- Ammo Box
First you talk. Then you vote. Then you use the legal system. And if things are still broken, you use violence.
I'm in the US so I can't speak for the UK specifically, but it does feel like the rise of fascism and consolidation of power into fewer and fewer people is a real problem that won't be fixed by asking nicely.
Things aren't getting worse in the UK, they're just staying exactly the same as they've always been.
There are two parties and they're both basically identical to each other and they just keep swapping every decade or so. The Conservatives crash the economy, mostly due to piss-pour economic handling and welfare cuts, eventually everyone gets irritated with them and boots them out. Labour proceeds to blame the conservatives for the economic mess for the next 10 years, fail to really achieve anything of any significance due to the inevitable infighting (they've already started), and eventually lose power to the conservatives. Then the entire story mess repeats itself.
You get five or six rounds of this and then all the current lot die and you replace them with a new bunch of idiots.
Seriously this crap goes all the way back to the 1930s. We never get a break.
Hi! Trans and queer person from the UK here.
Shit's gotten worse, bro.
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Sadly, most unhappy people still think that laws must be respected, and guillotining has fallen out of popularity with them quite recently.
Well it does atleast force them to make a public opinion on it, it’s a foot in the door.
Which would be useful if they were also forced to actually provide a somewhat science based line of reasoning for their answer. But in reality its gonna be completely made up reasons not based on any facts.
Not all petitions are based on stuff that’s “factual” or “provable” as well though.
Petition to paint crosswalks in pride colours for example.
Thats true i guess. I was thinking of car traffic restrictions or "one more lane" type stuff.
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Yup, it can be a way of getting a discussion started
For Canada the rules are as follows:
The Standing Orders of the House of Commons require the government to respond to every petition presented to the House within 45 calendar days. If the House is not sitting on that day, the response must be presented at the next sitting of the House.
The petitioner, supporters, signatories, and the member of Parliament who authorized the online publication of the e-petition will be notified by email when the response is tabled in the House. A copy will also be found on the petitions website along with the original petition.
https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide
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Scotland stopped voting Labour into power over a decade ago. If only England had the balls to do it too. Torys and Labour, two sides of the same corrupt coin. Come England, youre better than that. Starmer is a tory cunt. Vote greens, or Libdems, or anyone else buy those two corrupt scum parties.
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This image is a great reflection of the entire history of the UK, incidentally.
Pretty much - we all put our names to them, but they do nothing.
The best option is to organise writing campaigns to your local MP and indicate that this is the decider on your vote.
More like "This is good thing, please vote."
What if there was a law that said once something had enough signatures, it needs to be put to a vote?
The only issue I can think of is the threshold being too high and authenticity of the signatures.
At a 1mil signatures, it must be discussed in parliament. They don't do a great job of voting on it, but it's the law.
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We don't deserve nice things.
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