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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 6 days ago (4 children)

During the 1986-1992 California drought, we were informed in the San Francisco Bay Area region that water service prices were going to go up unless we conserved strictly.

They said this to a bunch of California hippies, on account that we were in California.

So we way got on board. We stopped flushing. Any water that was rendered non-potable we'd repurpose for watering plants or filter it for second use. Japanese naval baths (weird tiny bowl seats and a sponge, used in the Imperial Navy, WWII) got popular so people were keeping clean via a tenth of normal water usage.

We conserved too much according to the water department and they raised prices anyway.

This sparked some investigations (by journalists, since investigative journalism was still a thing then) and found that agriculture got water for much cheaper, and was still using it once before flushing it (now laced with pesticides) out into the sea. Needless to say, we conservationist hippies were livid.

It's still a problem, as the utility companies routinely lobby our congress and governor (and Newsom may know how to be a California liberal, but he's still a Dianne-Feinstein-style ( / Nancy-Pelosi style) money-grubbing neoliberal. He just has game, especially when opposed to far right idiots. The setup in Monster's Inc (power crisis in a city where scream is the principal power source) was inspired by the Enron fraud affair leading to rolling blackouts and Texas siphoning off California's general fund. And our governments from Schwarzenegger (who I will never forgive) to Newsom are in the pocket of PG&E. (I'm on SMUD now and my bill is conspicuously less.)

Also, according to Climate Town, the Sauds own a lot of California farmland, where they grow alfalfa to import to the mid-east to feed their cows. Alfalfa crops are one of the most water hungry, and is one of the big ways beef is driving the climate crisis (and towards a massive food shortage and global famine!) and the water tables, to which they have access and first-tap rights, gets lower every year. πŸ•™

So I suspect that the Texas AI centers are getting water at a cheaper rate than private homes. Maybe it's something to get active about.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

So the people should build a giant warehouse that uses a bazillion gallons of water that feeds into the warehouse and in the same pipe back to the water system, get wholesale rates and charge consumers the cheaper rate!

Same pipe, just make sure it goes into the warehouse so you can charge people for what leaves.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 78 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This but just the Microsoft logo lol

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

"Since Microsoft dropped its DEI initiatives, it's good actually!"

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yes, Texas did vote for that. Haha, Red states suffering is funny.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They owned the ~~libs~~ themselves..

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[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Whether or not they did we all exist under the same atmosphere.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 27 points 6 days ago

its funny how these AI centers are mostly if not all in red states only, simply because they know the legislation wont do anything, and encourage them anyways, plus the resident that leans right are less likely to make a big fuss over it.

[–] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well, I mean...Not for nothing, but Texas being one of the reddest states there is, and even being willing to double it down by heavily gerrymandering themselves for Trump worship, means that they did vote to serve their deep state and oligarch overlords. Which is quite ironic for the small government party. And that's coming from me, who believes in the potential of AI for humanity in the long-term, but only if used responsibly and not at the cost of people's quality of life to satisfy the corrupt elite.

But then again, irony is in their DNA, starting with all their preaching about "keeping kids safe". Speaking of which, Trump files where? I need to check if Epstein's name comes up in those.

[–] turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

elon is currrently using the aquifer drinking water under memphis to cool grok. he’s also powering it with generators and smogging out the city.

please do not use grok.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't care, nothing will come inbetween me and my boi, mecha hitler!

/j if that wasn't obvious

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Why the fuck do they alway pick the driest places to use the most water. Fucking morons

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I always rant about tech moving to Austin.

They need low heat, reliable power, cheap / fast internet, and an abundance of water.

Texas is literally none of those things.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 days ago

We have low regulations though. Which is why they do it.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Industrial cooling is all about evaporating some liquid into gas. For evaporative coolers, that liquid is water and works best if the air is dry and water is plentiful (the absurd part). If you don't have water or the air is so humid that evaporation is difficult, the liquid is expensive refrigerant which must recycle back into liquid in a closed loop with a gas compressor that pumps the waste heat into the air through forced convection heat exchangers (big fans blowing air past hot refrigerant-filled pipes), all of which consumes a lot of energy.

Ideally, we'd live in a post scarcity society in which huge arrays of solar panels would provide electricity to run closed-loop refrigerant plants that would consume zero water to cool our data centers.

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[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I don't understand why AI data centers would CONSUME water. Once they fill up their chiller loops, then... that's it, right?

It's hard for me to imagine them relying on the temperature of the incoming water, and dumping all the warm water as discharge.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They're probably using cooling towers, which cool through evaporation. They should be using reclaimed though.

[–] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 days ago

As long as it is cheaper to buy water, then evaporate it, big firms will continue to do so.

With a COP of around 15 and up it is difficult to argue with the economy of this.

Local regulation would be required, but that would need politicians who don't suck.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is the right answer. They use evaporative cooling. Which does save a lot of power so they can claim to be "green".

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[–] waspentalive@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I worked 10 years at a data center, all that water is recycled - it is very carefully chemically balanced so as to not corrode the pipes and pumps, no they do not use it once and dump it out.

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[–] Forfaden@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

From what I've seen it's "not worth the effort or expense" to reuse the water. Some of them literally just send tap water through the cooling loops and then into the sewer drains

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[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Stoopid Texans. You've got the guns, start using the things. If they need cooling, maybe aerate a few blocks of servers for them.

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[–] excral@feddit.org 32 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The priorities are completly screwd up. If they found a way to power the AI datacenters with humans, Matrix style, would they ask Texans to sacrifice their first borns to do so?

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So not only are Corporations... People

Now they are more important people than regular citizens?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Under capitalism they always were. Just take a close look at exactly who the "Founding Fathers" were.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Imagine not having obese AI fart videos because you want a shower?

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 19 points 6 days ago

You should complain whenever million gallons of water are wasted by corporations seeking profits or by governments for their shady operations. Not just when it's about AI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago

Nice to see humanity has its priorities straight as usual... :)

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

LOL! The Red Run Deregulated Texas Oblast does not surprise me with this kind of shit. If it dries up, the fucking red voters can stay and find the fuck out.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

don't be selfishn, Microsoft AI will be used by the whole world and only few people will need this water to shower.

S/ hahahha

[–] WalterLego@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago

They deregulated shower heads just in time.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Talk about dystopian headlines

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Hilarious, hilarious. Hilarious.

[–] maniajack@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Sorry, but a vibe coder just told Chat GPT to fully implement their code. Now you can't shower. Suck it!

[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I'm not joking when i say that not using ai is mostly improving my reasoning. Probably, each time I used it, i had to subconsciously offset some thinking to that brainless machine. I'm fine the way I am, i know it's being propped up as some ultimate solution but my creative output improved too.

We're probably offsetting some thinking and memorisation to a computer with a complete lack of experience of the real world, and it's somehow being presented as acceptable. I do n't think it's fine.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago (5 children)

WTF don't they just use a closed geothermal loop?

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