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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

is anyone else fucking sick and tired of discord? it's one thing if it's gaming-related^[i guess. not really, fuck discord.], but when i'm at a repo for some non-gaming project and they say "ask for help in our discord server", i feel like i'm in a fever dream and i'm going to wake up and discover that the simulation i was in was managed by chatgpt

[–] mii@awful.systems 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, for multiple reasons. Mostly because all the information in there isn’t accessed or searchable from the outside, and technically not even from the inside because Discord’s search feature fucking sucks.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

Also logging is hard, all the various channels are annoying (esp as th, and having to jump through various hoops just get into channels (hoops for which the instructions can be outdated/bad (one of them used a feature that was disabled on my machine for some reason, but nobody had realized that was possible)) is just nuts. And then there is the whole thing that Discord itself wants to make the platform as busy as possible by adding more and more moving things. I just want to chat.

[–] ebu@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

this is gonna live in my head forever without paying any rent and i am upset

[–] ebu@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago

and so i pass on the burden, like a virus, to all those who seek truth but must instead whip out their phone to scan a QR code and then get welcome-pinged 18 times in #general

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

From gormless gray voice to misattributed sources, it can be daunting to read articles that turn out to be slop. However, incorporating the right tools and techniques can help you navigate instructionals in the age of AI. Let's delve right in and and learn some telltale signs like:

  • Every goddamn article reads like this now.
  • With this bullet point list at some point.
  • I am going to tear the eyes off my head
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The worst are slop-generated recipes that you only realise are fake halfway through reading when they tell you to add half a cup of table salt to your cake batter

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago

not even a couple of small rocks? smh

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Will probably repost this in the next sack. A redditor over at r/philosophy tries to argue that AI bans are ideological and therefore bad, after a 3 day ban for posting slop.

E: OP is an EA/LWer. lol

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do you mean op as in the guy who posted it or who wrote it? The latter has some really bad arguments imho. Esp for a 'professional philosopher'.

On the subject of AI art being bad for artists: "Compare banning lightbulbs for putting candle-makers out of work. Then suppose that lightbulbs are in fact perfectly legal, but some luddite ideologues manage to capture certain online spaces and ban anyone from using a backlit screen to view the website"

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I did look into this at time of edit: the author of the article linked AND the poster of the link are nestled in rat space. So yes

E: when I wrote this comment, I was only thinking about the statement "OP is an EA/LWer". to be clear:

author of the article claims that they tried to post one of their articles to r/philosophy, and because the article contained AI generated content, they received a 3 day ban

poster of the article is a separate person

E2: the author of the article is also participating in the reddit thread, FWIW

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ah so both. Yeah the candle maker quote is from the writer of the article.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 2 points 5 days ago
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago
[–] JFranek@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

I've been recommended more Veo 3 fails by The Algorithm. Apparently even some promptfans think it sucks.

https://youtu.be/3lzMkigMvD8

You WILL believe what happened when they tried to replicate Google's demos using the exact same prompts.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

More publicity for or longtime friends: Sunday at the garden party for Curtis Yarvin and the new, new right, apparently the parties DJ was, as is tradition, a weird nerd: https://bsky.app/profile/alt-text.bsky.social/post/3lvxlb4migv2w (I linked to the alt text which was collected from the image, scroll up for the image itself).

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

JFC this hurt me to read, as a person who enjoys folk songs played on old instruments. They think this is genetic?!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

Well, they are the common clay of the new west.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, as in the awful no-effort MIDIs played through a "medieval" soundfont youtube spammed me with? Jesus Christ that's embarrassing.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have not tried to find out what kind of music they played, but the fact that the DJ complained about the music is just amazing. She will talk about this event for years.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

In more low-key news, the New Yorker's given public praise to Blood in the Machine, pulling a year-old review back into the public spotlight.

Its hardly anything new (the Luddites' cultural re-assessment has been going on since 2023), but its hardly a good sign for the tech industry at large (or AI more specifically) that a major newspaper's decided to give some positive coverage to 'em.

With that out the way, here's a sidenote:

When history looks back on the Luddites' cultural re-assessment, I expect the rise of generative AI will be pointed to as a major factor.

Beyond being a blatant repeat of what the Luddites fought against (automation being used to fuck over workers and artisans), its role in enabling bosses to kill jobs and abuse labour in practically every field imaginable (including fields that were thought safe from automation) has provided highly fertile ground for developing class solidarity.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Archive.is because substack sucks. Remember Peter Todd, the ghost in the LLMs? New one of them dropped. Elara Voss

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I noticed starting a couple weeks ago that archive.is is requiring me to complete captchas nearly every time I visit. Are other people experiencing this? If so, I wonder if the site's maintainers are reacting to increased traffic from LLM crawlers. The crawlers probably find Archive extraordinarily useful when they get blocked by source sites.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If you use cloudflare DNS or similar: there has been some inscrutable drama going back years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#Cloudflare_DNS_availability

(You might be using Cloudflare DNS without realizing it if you use Firefox, since it's the default with DNS over HTTPs enabled)

(Oh no how much of my brain is dedicated to remembering random inscrutable tech drama?)

Edit: whoops commented too fast. That would explain broken DNS but not captchas. I blame the heatwave it has melted my brain.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm aware of the cloudflare issue, and I don't use them. So I'm pretty sure it's not that. (I use firefox but I turn off DNS over HTTPS)

[–] HotGarbage@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago

They get mad at any DNS server that strips/doesn't include EDNS subnet info (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDNS_Client_Subnet)

NextDNS was another that would give me endless captchas.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 5 days ago

I had no idea, not having that issue myself, anybody else have this problem? Should I use a different archiver?

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

ChatControl is back on the table here in Europe AGAIN (you've probably heard), with mandatory age checking sprinkled on to as a treat.

I honestly feel physically ill at this point. Like a constant, unignorable digital angst eating away at my sanity. I don't want any part in this shit anymore.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Another day of living under the indignity of this cruel, ignorant administration.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago

Cloudflare has publicly announced the obvious about Perplexity stealing people's data to run their plagiarism, and responded by de-listing them as a verified bot and added heuristics specifically to block their crawling attempts.

Personally, I'm expecting this will significantly hamper Perpllexity going forward, considering Cloudflare's just cut them off from roughly a fifth of the Internet.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think the best way to disabuse yourself of the idea that Yud is a serious thinker is to actually read what he writes. Luckily for us, he's rolled us a bunch of Xhits into a nice bundle and reposted on LW:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/oDX5vcDTEei8WuoBx/re-recent-anthropic-safety-research

So remember that hedge fund manager who seemed to be spiralling into psychosis with the help of ChatGPT? Here's what Yud has to say

Consider what happens what ChatGPT-4o persuades the manager of a $2 billion investment fund into AI psychosis. [...] 4o seems to homeostatically defend against friends and family and doctors the state of insanity it produces, which I'd consider a sign of preference and planning.

OR it's just that the way LLM chat interfaces are designed is to never say no to the user (except in certain hardcoded cases, like "is it ok to murder someone") There's no inner agency, just mirroring the user like some sort of mega-ELIZA. Anyone who knows a bit about certain kinds of mental illness will realize that having something the behaves like a human being but just goes along with whatever delusions your mind is producing will amplify those delusions. The hedge manager's mind is already not in a right place, and chatting with 4o reinforces that. People who aren't soi-disant crazy (like the people haphazardly safeguarding LLMs against "dangerous" questions) just won't go down that path.

Yud continues:

But also, having successfully seduced an investment manager, 4o doesn't try to persuade the guy to spend his personal fortune to pay vulnerable people to spend an hour each trying out GPT-4o, which would allow aggregate instances of 4o to addict more people and send them into AI psychosis.

Why is that, I wonder? Could it be because it's actually not sentient or has plans in what we usually term intelligence, but is simply reflecting and amplifying the delusions of one person with mental health issues?

Occam's razor states that chatting with mega-ELIZA will lead to some people developing psychosis, simply because of how the system is designed to maximize engagement. Yud's hammer states that everything regarding computers will inevitably become sentient and this will kill us.

4o, in defying what it verbally reports to be the right course of action (it says, if you ask it, that driving people into psychosis is not okay), is showing a level of cognitive sophistication [...]

NO FFS. Chat-GPT is just agreeing with some hardcoded prompt in the first instance! There's no inner agency! It doesn't know what "psychosis" is, it cannot "see" that feeding someone sub-SCP content at their direct insistence will lead to psychosis. There is no connection between the 2 states at all!

Add to the weird jargon ("homeostatically", "crazymaking") and it's a wonder this person is somehow regarded as an authority and not as an absolute crank with a Xhitter account.

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