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Statement: https://www.mastercard.com/us/en/news-and-trends/press/2025/august/clarifying-recent-headlines-on-gaming-content.html

Mastercard has not evaluated any game or required restrictions of any activity on game creator sites and platforms, contrary to media reports and allegations.

Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content.

Media contact

Seth Eisen

seth.eisen@mastercard.com

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

there are no good people in this. mc, visa, itch.io, and steam all caved to regressive bigots.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can religion just die already?

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You do realise religion is just an excuse?

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago
[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

They realized that this news getting out damaged their brand worse.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They forgot the part of their TOS about "damaging the brand".

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 84 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are a fucking payment processor; the only brand that matters is reliability and confidency, which they damaged now.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're not talking about with Steam customers though, but rather with the religious idiots who have decided to crusade against porn, feel emboldened by recent age-ID bills and are now pursuing the "MasterCard funds filth" angle.

I'm kinda wondering what the ratio of anti-porn religious knobs is you gamers. There's a lot of religious folk but many of them also enjoy porn so ...

[–] shani66@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

There are less puritans than gooners, if a corpo is backing the puritans is because that corpo is ran by one of those demons.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

More people should watch this:

The Secret War To Censor The Internet

The CC companies have religious morons contained within their executives but they're mainly being puppeted by outside religious evangelical organizations with a long history of wanting to destroy all sex work or erotica art.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's been going on since the start of the internet pretty much. Web hosts do the same thing. though they are much more forgiving. Middlemen saying what you can and can't talk about, share, and consume online.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 279 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

so this is a game of telephone between activists, payment cards, payment processors, and vendors.

Also TIL mastercard HQ is located in Purchase, NY.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 246 points 4 days ago (5 children)

My view is that Valve is the most likely to be honest about who is responsible here, both because they’re not responsible for this shit show no matter what the answer is and because they have a monetary interest in restarting sales.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 179 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Valves statement also matches with the claims of Itch.io, Stripe, and what Collective Shout themselves have claimed. So we've got two different claims, on one side are Visa and Mastercard, and on the other we've got literally everyone else. I feel pretty confident about which one is a load of bullshit.

It's also worth noting that Visa ~~and Mastercard~~ are playing semantic games with their statements. Nobody ever claimed they were "refusing legal transactions", rather what they're doing is threatening to stop working with any business that doesn't implement censorship that they're happy with. It's a subtle but important difference and they've never denied that's what they're doing.

Edit: rereading Mastercards statement they are claiming they don't restrict how businesses operate (although they do weasel around a little bit about illegal content), although Visa still hasn't denied that. They may also be playing games with that statement because porn is illegal in some countries that Mastercard operates in so they may be trying to claim porn is an illegal transaction despite businesses not selling it in the countries it's illegal in.

Edit 2: It just occurred to me this could also be about the UK and some US states new (and horrible) porn ID laws. I'm not aware of Valve doing anything to implement the strict age verification those laws are requiring for sites that distribute porn, and Visa/Mastercard could be trying to argue that without that in place any porn games Valve sells are "illegal transactions". In theory Steam does have age gating, but it's the same "are you over 18?" easily bypassed check that porn sites have always used.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Isn't owning a credit card age gating anyway? I don't think you can legally own a credit card in the UK.
(Edit: Oops I mean until you're 18.)

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[–] rdri@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I kill people in GTA 5. I don't kill people in Hentai Incest Generator 3000. Yet someone prefers to see my transaction only for the first one, citing damages to "the brand".

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hire prostitute in GTA, kill her, get money back - ✅

Have consensual sex with character in hentai game - 😤

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Curiously, in our society, killing is less of a taboo than sex, especially in fiction.

Since the aughts, I feel it is a disservice we do to censor out the horror of warfare in games like Call of Duty or Medal of Honor. I haven't seen what they did with Six Days In Fallujah (by a vet of the Iraq War who experienced Fallujah and wanted to share his experience) but we'd have more respect for the gravity of war if the tragedy and immediacy of combat was properly expressed. In the Arma series, it's very easy to die, but it uses a similar engine used for training purposes.

It's our Christian values (more specifically, our Paulinian values -- he thought Christians should not have sex if they can abstain entirely¹ -- which has turned into taboos against sex without strict licenses, that has made our society super-prudish.

1. Paul actually also prohibited having additional children, the end being [nigh] and all. Later biblical interpreters would have to deal with the world's failure to end, and Christ's failure to return in their lifetimes.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the end being neigh and all

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, and the horse said, “the end is neigh!”

(Neigh is what a horse says. The end is nigh. 😉)

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago

Why doesn't valve simply restore games back then? Tell payment processors MC is OK with them (as evident by this statement) and tell them to come back with a reply from MC?

[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 177 points 4 days ago (22 children)

American Payment Processors really need more competition. They can not be trusted to act in a free market sense and not drift into a chaindog for political ideas.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 91 points 4 days ago (9 children)

It feels to me like payment processing has a similar function to physical currency. Like all of those security features on the bills are used to ensure the transaction is trusted.

Point being, I've long thought that payment processors are essentially doing a job that should be done by the government.

There are strange gaps where physical services have digital analogues but are completely ignored by the government.

I don't understand why the treasury doesn't process payments or why the post office doesn't issue email addresses, for another example.

Anyways, back to the point, physical currency specifically says that it is valid for all debts. If they applied the same logic to payment processing, then this would never happen.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

Probably because government and the people in charge of government are largely tech illiterate and being literate or seeking policy advice from literate people isn't expected.

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[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Payment processing is one of those things that really should have been treated as a public utility from the start. The same way we treat water, electricity, and phone lines. But even getting the internet treated as a utility has been a losing battle thus far.

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[–] seejur@lemmy.world 97 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Of course, because when everyone buy a game on steam the FIRST thing it comes to their mind is the credit card brand they used. What a load of bullock.

FFS I don't even remember which one of my credit card I have saved on steam.

MasterCard can go fuck themselves. Great job saving your brand

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Seriously rediculous, most people don't even know if their card is Visa or Mastercard, nor do they care (because they dont know what they are or what they mean).

(This is from my experience with people i know)

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 3 days ago

Mastercard have changed their design so that it no longer says Mastercard on it, and it's just the two circles. I bloody hate it, MasterCard thought they were able to get away with it because they thought they had brand recognition but literally no one cares about them.

Also they've been fine with porn games up until now and literally no one cared.

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[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 95 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I'd love Valve to spend their extra billions on opening a payment processor. Fuck the big 3.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago

Honestly, wouldn't be surprised, they have spent god knows how much to push linux to unshackle themselves from Windows and Microsoft

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There's multiple steps to this sadly, including the payment gateway, processor, acquirer and this is before even Mastercard, VISA, Amex or other card companies come into the picture.

It's not impossible, but Valve would need to convince the card issuers that they are a valid processor and then also make deals with banks all over the world for GWs. Or they could just act like Stripe and own the full stack and bully their way through the fintech world.

[–] shani66@ani.social 1 points 1 day ago

Considering valve is, basically, the gateway to a billion dollar industry, they certainly have the weight to throw around and get this done, or at least to prop up a less demonic processor. It'll take time whatever they do, but i really hope they are doing something.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They already support local payment processing schemes such as Bancontact, iDEAL, JCB, Pix, etc. A good chunk of their international customer base already isn't dependent on the big American payment processors.

The way towards undermining Visa/MC's power is for more governments/Central Banks to push for indigenous alternatives which abide by local regulations rather than foreign puritanism. This is already a desirable goal for most both from a geopolitical POV (reduce American control over world finance) and a financial one (VISA/MasterCard charge outrageous transaction fees).

American consumers are fucked whichever way things go though, it's not like the regime is going to make a move to break up the monopoly nor to push for less censorship in media. If Valve somehow goes through with this and makes deal with all major American banks, they'll be done just in time for the Save The Children From Pedostanic Video Games Act or whatever the fuck that will force them to purge all thought crime from their platform.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 3 days ago

Oh I'm so glad that their brand isn't being damaged. It'd be terrible if that were to happen.

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone 105 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Mastercard: worried about damaging brand

ALSO Mastercard: torpedos brand harder than the titan submersible implosion

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

Mastercard: We better not alienate our customers! Let's cave to these religious lunatics from Australia.

Mastercard: Becomes hated by gamers all over the world.

[–] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 89 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I expected nothing less from them. They did pretty much the same exact thing when Japan tried confronting them after they started blocking Japanese retailers from trading internationally. I can't find the article anymore but IIRC, Japan's Prime Minister tried having an in person interview with them about it but it was cut short because he stormed out of the room after Visa tried denying everything. I don't think that the payment processors will ever take responsibility for their actions.

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[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 105 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Effecting the brand?? Who in their right mine would associate them with anything but payments? That's ridiculous

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Like for real, the only reason I'm associating them with these games now is because they've actively brought it into the limelight, so we can see that

I wouldn't have even thought anything of association if they hadn't done so.

But now, anytime I see an NSFW game on Steam, I'm immediately associating it with Visa and MasterCard due to the fact that the news is that they're trying to get rid of those games, which I assume is not what they wanted, but you know it's what's happening.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 55 points 4 days ago

This is actually ruining their brand. I now associate MC and Visa with Christian oppression

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago

They think they're more than a money pipe.

A competitor to MasterCard and Visa could show up with double their combined budget and do what they do to massively disrupt this particular industry. The average Joe would not give half a shit and continue paying for stuff with whatever card their bank gave them just like they always have.

The specific brand of payment processor a card uses is just not a thing people care about unless they have an Amex and that's essentially because places don't always take it.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 87 points 4 days ago

mastercard you are hurting your brand by doing this

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (5 children)
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