If you're going to go all biblical to make us feel bad then you have to acknowledge how the bible also says all the animals are here for us specifically.
I'm not religious and even I know it says that.
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If you're going to go all biblical to make us feel bad then you have to acknowledge how the bible also says all the animals are here for us specifically.
I'm not religious and even I know it says that.
Funnily enough there's actually wording in Genesis that could be taken imply humans are just supposed to eat plants, with humans just ruling the animal kingdom and not devouring it.
Feel free to look up Genesis 1:25-31 to see what I mean, though of course translations are..
Very variable.
Regardless, most interpretations agree that what humans absolutely shouldn't be doing is causing a mass extinction that is set to kill just about every complex life form on Earth.
That's really interesting! I'd be curious to see what other translations read as (especially ancient languages, if I were smart enough to read them), but in the NIV translation, you could absolutely read that as a call to eat only plants, and to care for the animals.
It could also be taken another, slightly more terrifying way, too.
If we assume what we're doing is right, farming and killing animals for food, and work backwards from there, the verses say that God made the animals, and gave us dominion over them. If we assume the way we currently treat animals and view them is how that dominion works, then when it goes on to say that God made man in God's image, it could be implied to say that man is to animal as God is to man.
Which could mean God is farming and killing us for God's sustenance. We're nothing but chickens in cages.
25 God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.
26 God said, βLetβs make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.β 27 God created man in his own image. In Godβs image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them. God said to them, βBe fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.β 29 God said, βBehold,[a] I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;β and it was so.
31 God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
Footnotes
1:29 βBeholdβ, from βΧΦ΄Χ Φ΅ΦΌΧβ, means look at, take notice, observe, see, or gaze at. It is often used as an interjection.
Public domain, WEB translation.
Is it just the ones I personally killed or do you have to say sorry to like five cows for every burger you ate? Also do clams count? because they barely have a nervous system
There gonna be a lot of mosquitos for me
I'd just kill them again
"I've already made peace with it, thank you."
There are many problems associated with being alive. This is one of them. But it annoys me that vegans seem bent on proselytizing their viewpoint. It always seems self serving to me.
is he like an oil baron, wtf is this shit
Holy hell he ate an elephant?
I don't think he ate the japanese soldier either
While I am pretty ignorant on Vietnamese culture I don't think they bow like the Japanese
Lots of interesting points at various levels of the comments.
I'd like to offer the idea of, just because we can and have eaten meat as a species, should we continue to?
Why not try something different?
If we are going to try something different, how about start by cutting the religious bit? Easier to worry about the people and animals and ecological present without all the wild focus on necrodestination.
Seeing this is going with the Christian idea of heaven, you'll have to use Christian beliefs.
Acts 10:9-16.
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, βGet up, Peter. Kill and eat.β
14 βSurely not, Lord!β Peter replied. βI have never eaten anything impure or unclean.β
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, βDo not call anything impure that God has made clean.β
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
So being vegan makes your arrival to heaven more empty (unless you killed people).
If we were visited by aliens who energize through photosynthesis , weβd all be monsters to them. βYou fuckers eat animals with a side of plants?!β
energize through prosthesis
I'm assuming you meant photosynthesis?
Were they a butcher?
Taking out those animals lives by themselves is different from using their flesh as product. They are further down the line.
Because otherwise a worm eating my shit would also "contribute" to the death of those animals I've eaten. The shit wouldn't have existed.
Was the butcher going to kill all of those animals if there was nobody to buy them?
A worm does not directly order you to eat food and pay you for the benefit of your refuse.
This line of thinking would make terrible lawyers..
Your honour, my client only ordered the hit, and is therefore not guilty of the crime of first degree murder; it was the hitman - by his own confession. I declare mistrial by further down the linedness and award myself a million bucks.
Seems to be a take on The Five People You Meet In Heaven.
In the book, a man named Eddie dies and is sent to Heaven. However, he must first meet five people whose lives were completely altered by him.
The first person the protagonist meets was a man who was turned blue due to silver nitrate. When Eddie was a child, he ran into the road chasing a ball. The man was driving a car and swerved to avoid him. While there was no accident, it caused the man to suffer a heart attack and die.
The point was to show that there is no such thing as coincidence and that your actions can indirectly have an effect on others, even people you never have met.
I was gonna say, my guy Joe worked at an exotic slaughterhouse.
Really brings a different context to the first dude that showed up.
These angels are just trying to create a top ranked list so god can see how much of a lead he has on any one person.