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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Watching America fall is like watching a loved one succumb to alcoholism. Maybe that's just how it feels to me, I dunno. America always had its issues and lord knows I've bitched about them, but this feels so so much worse.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm a bit of a pessimist, but I am keeping a glimmer of hope alive that this isn't the end of the story.

This country has gotten through a brutal civil war, prohibition, stock market crashes, the great depression and other bad times. I would like to believe that we will get through this and HOPEFULLY be a little smarter for it. Germany fell to the same type of grift and they made it a point to learn from it.

I want to believe we will learn from this and get better.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Germany fell to the same type of grift and they made it a point to learn from it.

Germany had an intervention forcibly imposed upon them. Nobody is coming to rescue the US from itself.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

No one rescued Germany from itself until it imposed itself on the rest of Europe.

I really hope the US doesn't do some dumbass land war shit like that

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

things are ugly, no doubt. but the hopes of a better day where we clean up the mess of the past is still here. The bond we hold as the United States is stronger than the desire to kill each other.

Liberal NYers get upset about how poor rural people in WV are treated. Californians care about the problems created by Texas but they don't want to stop sending assistance when disaster strikes.

it's the Boomer love of capitalism that is at fault once again and they will be gone soon and we'll have to decide how we feel about each other once again.

Maybe someday we'll restore the Fairness Doctrine and kill off Fox News and that type of cancer on civilization

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is worse. This is the rise of the Fascist States of America. And it's horribly disappointing watching Americans let it happen.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

"let it happen"

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I've been charting "The Establishment", mapping out players, structure, hierarchy, methods, key dates, anything else I can, like property assets and visitors. The Epstein files are a key weakness, as are the unredacted flight logs. They are the most revealing look we have at the organization itself. In fact, the "Social" branch in which Epstein and Maxwell were key players, represents the intersection of all the other parts (5 parts, including military-industrial-intelligence and finance). Radical exposure here could be the crack in the door to the whole operation. Israel and our special relationship is the key to the engine room of the criminal enterprise we only loosely know as The Establishment. It's a giant interdependent network of corruption, but laying it all out, there's probably less than 100 people to put pressure on. I think a multi-prong attack combining radical exposure, targeted RICO lawsuits, and funding challengers is the plan to go with. The goal is the severance of the "special relationship" with Israel. It'd be really nice if we could just use direct democracy to say, "no, I would not much like to fund genocide, thank you." It seems like the tables are tilted, but they're really not. Maintaining the secretive infrastructure is expensive, as are any leaks in exposure. These people have names, and though I can't seem to penetrate the intelligence wing of this operation (Epstein and Maxwell are already exposed), we know who can. I say it's time to waterboard everyone even loosely tied to this thing, but we do a lot of people with may more resources than me going at this in smart "civil" ways.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Looking forward to your article/video/post about it.

It's either going to be illuminating or the funniest schizo post that week

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Can't it be both?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It seems about 70/30 the wrong way right now. But there are key points I like.

Less than 100 people with outsized influence sounds like it could be true.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Thanks for doing the stringboarding that I'm not brave enough to do, you're fighting the good fight

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 1 week ago

It's important because I want to follow up on Epstein being a Mossad agent, and how that influenced policy.

[–] lemjukes@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Holding out hope for that extinction burst theory…