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“You can’t really make the numbers different or better by firing the people doing the counting,” said Sen. Rand Paul

Several Republican senators and right-leaning experts have criticized Trump for the decision.

“If the president is firing the statistician because he doesn’t like the numbers but they are accurate, then that’s a problem,” Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wy.) told The Guardian. “It’s not the statistician’s fault if the numbers are accurate and that they’re not what the president had hoped for.”

“If she was just fired because the president or whoever decided to fire the director just … because they didn’t like the numbers, they ought to grow up,” said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.).

“We have to look somewhere for objective statistics,” Sen. Rand Paul, (R-Ky.) told NBC News. “When the people providing the statistics are fired, it makes it much harder to make judgments that you know, the statistics won’t be politicized.”

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 131 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The US is basically saying that any numbers the government puts out are now as trustworthy as those put out by North Korea, China or Russia. Who the hell is gonna want to invest anything or do anything in that country when the numbers are made up to make Trump feel good. What a fucking moron.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 days ago

If you have had a chance to ever get a peak at financials at large corps this tracks 100%. It's a house of cards and it's falling.

[–] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Do something you spineless weasels.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

Yep, just a job that they can fire him from at any point. They just need the votes from their side.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Look at the wording, they won't even say he's done anything. "If she was fired just for blah blah...", "whoever did this blah blah"

Feckless fucking cowards. You know who's doing this.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

They did. They wrung their hands & clutched their pearls.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

‘Grow up’: Conservative senators, economists slam Trump for firing labor stats chief, but will still suck his dick drive a fascist regime into power.

Went ahead and fixed that title.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're starting to see the type of delusion that led to the demise of the USSR. They'd commonly put quotas in place that were impossible to meet, then someone would fluff the numbers to make it look like it really happened, then the next year they'd raise the quota even further.

A great quote about this is from the series "Chernobyl".

"Every lie told incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later the debt is paid."

We are invoking an awful lot of debt today.

I find it funny that the "facts don't care about your feelings" folks are starting to ignore the facts in favor of their feeling. America is not short on hypocrisy.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Starting? Conservatism basically requires that you operate on feelings because the facts never back them up. It’s basically their entire thing, and they hate that the facts tell them how wrong they are(like about how maybe white supremecy is stupid).

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago

Obviously he plans to put someone in there who will cook the numbers in his favor.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Can’t wait for stagflation to hit the US. May Murikkkans rot in their self-made hell forever.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those senators should do humanity a favor and die.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

No shit afterall they have the power to do something, but they won't. And next week they will be on Faux news telling everyone how great this was. And just look at the good job numbers coming out of that office. They also always fall in line.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

We are in a very dark place when Rand Paul is the voice of reason when talking about executive employees.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Grow up? They're just now figuring out they've been supporting a petulant toddler all this time? Should have listened to the rest of us.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

He outright told everyone.

"When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."

[–] Idontopenenvelopes@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This will make the US un-investable , like China. When there are no reliable metrics capital will move to places where the risk is acceptable.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Right, bcz nobody ever invests in China now... please. The U.S. moved our entire manufacturing sector over there, tell me thats not investment..

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's a form of investment in the colloquial sense, but the relevant difference is between paying for physical objects that are completely outside of China's control once they're delivered to you and paying for shares of a Chinese company which may be fake and which the Chinese government might take away from you at any time.

There's a tragedy of the commons going on with manufacturing. Moving all US manufacturing to China is a big risk for the entire USA, but moving one company's manufacturing to China is good for that company (or even required to be competitive). Meanwhile investing in Chinese firms is risky for each individual investor.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

The U.S. moved our entire manufacturing sector over there

Individual private enterprises made the decision to manufacture there because it's cheaper. Not the "U.S." and the majority of manufacturing jobs were replaced with automation.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Banana Republic behavior. The markets should be very scared of this

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

THIS is going to be the Straw to Break the Camel's BACK! NOT the Child Rape and Jeffrey Epstein supporting! THIS!

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sadly I think that even if they do release the Epstein files MAGA is just gonna say pedophilia is alright and just stick with him. I kinda feel that it's dying down already with people moving on to complaining about the economy.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

But then what will be their excuse for hating LGBT people?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It'll be this for the powerful who will push the (legitimate) Epstein stuff to get the plebs.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure Susan Collins will be concerned and Lisa Murkowski will be disappointed that he didn't keep to some nebulous standard she expected and trump will have learned his lesson ....

[–] Ersatz86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Commence pearl clutching in 3…2…1…

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] classic@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

My first slam of the day! I feel safer

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

"Republicans are angry," right.

We know as well as Trump knows that they'll fall in line. As long as he has broad support from the base the rest of the party can't do shit - even if they wanted to.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

Trump is acting his age: object permanence and not soiling his diapers is a incomprehensible task for him.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Were you just now realizing you all elected a 2 year old child into the highest office of one of the most powerful nations on the planet? Nice try suckas, you are all to blame for this shit. The lack of subtlety is very apparent you know exactly what you are all doing. Most of us still paid attention in class past 1st grade.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I just realized it this afternoon.

You fucking chowderhead.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Well I was asking the R-senators who are all acting shocked by KING(tm)'s actions. Glad you woke up though!

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Amerikkka is not a serious country

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When they can't handle the truth, they try handling the messenger. They know it doesn't work, but it only has to work until they die doesn't it. After that, it's someone else's problem.

What a screwed up way they have.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Didn't he already modified how GDP is calculated to not show that we are in recession?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You can't but he can...

This is the problem!

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it just doesn't mean anything coming from the mouth of a Russian asset like Rand Paul.

History shows us that he certainly can make the numbers better by firing the person in charge. Accuracy has never been a concern for him.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Trump should be outlawed