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[–] Jerry@feddit.online 23 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The author is trying a too hard to make a point based on their belief that Proton Mail is never unencrypted at rest. That the company never allowed such a thing. And launches an attack based on this premise.

However, it's just not true.

The Proton Mail bridge which has been around for quite some time, will leave email unencrypted at rest just by the nature that it integrates with email tools like Thunderbird and X1 Search.

So this premise, "but Proton’s email famously does not work like that. There is never plain text at rest" that is used to prove the Proton is allowing unencrypted text under certain conditions solely because they consider making money more important than privacy is a false premise. Proton never made money on the bridge, for example, but it's one case where they allowed users to decide whether it was OK to have copies of emails unencrypted at rest.

My conclusion is that the author just wants to rant against Proton.

[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

The mail bridge would run on your own computer correct? I think the author was saying the emails are never in plain text when on Proton's servers.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago

The author, if I remember correctly from a while ago, is a lemmy user, and since this place is mostly against AI. He posts exactly what gets people riled up in here. Must have a lot of alts too, I'm guessing.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 9 points 13 hours ago

Last two paragraphs of the article:

For most people this‘ll be, so what? — they still trust Google and Microsoft with all their stuff. But Proton’s whole pitch was much more than that. And Lumo walks that back a long way.

Proton’s Lumo chatbot is a pile of openwashing and securitywashing using Proton Mail’s previously solid reputation to sell you something where the security is: cross your fingers and trust us.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago

Andy Yang can get bent.

(This sentence was written by AI)