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But my holy book says its ok! (infosec.pub)
submitted 14 hours ago by skaarl@feddit.nl to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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From the great truth of white supremacy to the law of all laws that the right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people (and that "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel", in violation of intrenational law).

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Well, if white people as defined by a religion were consistently and routinely scapegoated, mass murdered, and made illegal in almost every country they settled in, maybe they’d have a case to make that they want a land where that can’t happen again.

I disagree it should be where they chose, I disagree it should be called Israel, I definitely disagree with pretty much everything they’ve done in the last two years and a hell of a lot of what they did prior to that. But I don’t disagree they have a right to exist and be left alone.

Thats why the meme doesn’t work for me, it’s not a real comparison in terms of why they want a land of their own. What they DO in that land, yeah fair enough but that’s a different meme.

I get the Likud are fascist shitheads who must be stopped and held to account for their crimes. But that’s not the same thing as saying there shouldn’t be a safe haven for Jews, which is what the meme implies.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago

I support the right of Jewish people to live in peace. I also utterly reject the idea of a nation-state with an established religion, it is an inherently terrible idea that cannot ever produce good outcomes, I mean lots of Jews aren’t even religious! Don’t even get me started on the flawed ideas and inherent racism behind an ethnostate.

So Israel as constituted can get fucked, it was always going to descend into a genocidal regime, it’s inherent in the way they built the government.

[–] skaarl@feddit.nl 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to see where Jews in particular are most safe you'll find it's where human rights are respected and all are treated equally under the law, regardless of skin colour or ethnicity. Racism never helped anyone, and it is certainly not helping now the Jews in Israel, occupied Palestine, or anywhere really.

You might be surprised to find out (not knowing where you'r from) that there were White abolitionists in America in the 1800's. Pretty nasty to read about what the White racists said and did to them, especially in the American South. Same (kind of, minus the tar and feathers... and lynching) now with Jews that protest Israel being called bad Jews or fake Jews or self hating Jews. It is not about the persons race, but there is definitely a word for when one thinks everyone of a certain race or ethnicity is a certain way.... what was it again... lol

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

If you want to see where Jews in particular are most safe you'll find it's where human rights are respected and all are treated equally under the law

You make it sound like that’s the default for humanity as opposed to almost the opposite as proven throughout all of history.

No one’s arguing racism is a good thing. I certainly am not.

[–] RedMari@reddthat.com 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Israel is not a Jewish ethnostate. That is just their cover for being a white supremacist ethnostate. This is clear from their mistreatment of Palestinian and Ethiopian Jews.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Is "Ashkenazi" ethnostate better?

[–] RedMari@reddthat.com 1 points 4 hours ago

That is probably the best term relatively speaking. Of note is that they typically have reciprocal majority support with the white supremacists in politics internationally.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

None of this bigotry would exist if it wasn't for European colonialism needing to create an actually successful reimagining of itself with bigotry further driven and cemented into its heart than even the US was able to sustain.

This mass violence is a direct result of the entrenched power structures of Europe and the US refusing to grapple with how intimately connected eugenics, genocide and dehumanization are in sustaining European and US culture.

This does not take the blame away from Israelis, but we are doomed to accelerate this process if we do not understand it.

[–] skaarl@feddit.nl 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It seems like Israel is a looking glass, seeing the US in 20 years. Maybe not long before they get their first checkpoints in the US, to check their race and papers.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yes... or is it that Israel is a looking glass into the US or South Africa 20 years ago? Is it not a technology-supercharged return to the parts of the 20th century where colonial powers committed, sustained and exploited genocide for profit?

Or rather is this not the cynical fulcrum the blazen bigotry of Netanyahu and similar Israeli leaders are trying to secure their future across? That is, if they tie the colonialism and genocide of Palestinians to the US.. then US society will naturally be forced to invisiblize the Palestinian Genocide the same way it has invisiblized the other ongoing genocides in the US.

Netanyahu and conservative leaders like him in Israeli society are absolutely counting on the shakey liberalism of the US and other western powers not being able to survive this degree of self-reckoning, and so far they are absolutely right. Everything is perfectly on schedule for the west to arrive as the savior to Palestinians right at the moment that the genocide nearly fully completes.... enabled the whole time by US weapons and diplomatic cover.

US police have trained heavily with the IDF, the connection between the Israeli society becoming genocidal and the US struggling to avoid drowning to the same fate goes back to the origins of the US, the systems of violence and exploitation it festered and the ideologies of eugenics and white supremacy it has consistently pursued.

This is why I get so upset about the Palestinian Genocide vs the multitude of other heinous crimes occuring as we speak on earth, it doesn't matter that Gaza is across the world from me and it isn't just that the scale of suffering is incomprehensible, it is that the actions of the US government make what happens there directly relevant to my ability to sleep at night here in the US.