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“Fetterman?” one speaker yelled from a stage near the steps of City Hall.

“Jagoff!” protesters shouted back in unison.

“Fetterman?”

“Jagoff!”

in Fetterman’s case, it describes a politician who campaigned as a Bernie Sanders–loving populist and vowed to help Democrats advance their priorities past the party’s two obstructionists, Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin—only to reprise their roles once in Congress and cozy up with Republicans.

“He ran in the 2022 primaries against Joe Manchin, and now he’s become Joe Manchin,” says Mike Mikus, a longtime Democratic operative in Pennsylvania. “An unprincipled Manchin.”

He’s sided with Republicans on denying immigrants due process, voted to confirm a 2020 election denier to lead the Department of Justice, and approved a GOP budget that freed Trump to slash spending without oversight. His recent actions have enraged progressives, mystified colleagues, and alarmed former and current aides.

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[–] etherphon@midwest.social 4 points 6 hours ago

He's a grifting piece of shit like the rest of them, what a shocker. No one actually wants to serve the public anymore they're just in it to line their pockets.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 7 hours ago

It's a sign of the times that an obviously unwell person like him can continue having a political career.

Beyond the obvious, I wonder who replaced the staffers that apparently left in droves. Maybe somebody saw an opportunity to create another monster a lá RFK or even DJT.

And then this:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bestowed only Trump and Fetterman with mementos celebrating the exploding-pager strike targeting Hezbollah militants that resulted in 32 deaths and thousands more injured. Fetterman (...) accepted a silver beeper from Netanyahu

A silver beeper???

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 34 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone insists it is brain damage or illness or whatever.

He is a con artist, plain and simple. He saw an opening to run on a populist platform and did. And then he very rapidly pivoted towards the party that will always vote for him no matter what he does.

The sad truth is that there are a LOT of very blatant con artists in the "leftist" sphere. Mostly we just don't talk about them because the hope is they are still doing more to "raise awareness" while they get rich or because... we just can't be bothered to deal with the massive waves of hatred that come the moment you point out the kind of stuff they say or just how massively rich they have become and so forth.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I agree with you 100%

And the thing about con artists is they're in it for the money. Everything is a sales pitch to them. There are no values, and the more you allow people to do this shit without calling it out, the more ammunition you give to the argument that voting is a waste of time bc they're all the same.

Somebody who is willing to advertise themselves as supporting something good, while accepting money from the people that are contributing to the thing they're calling bad ::cough:: Ro Kahnna ::cough::, is exactly the same as the people they're pretending to call out.

Their loyalty is to the highest bidder, not their values, or their party, and definitely not to the public.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 44 points 12 hours ago

He's giving people with brain damage a bad name.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

If brain damage makes you a complete piece of shit, then you were always a complete piece of shit in sheep's clothing. I feel like blaming the stroke is just people trying to cope with the loss of someone they thought and hoped would be good that turned out to be a red coat.

Fuck Fetterman.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Disclaimer: This isn't a defense of the guy. From what I hear, he's been a pos for a long time. He was just able to con voters as an "everyman".

That said, brain damage isn't drinking. It doesn't "reveal" who someone truly is. Damage to the brain can and does change the way it functions at a fundamental level, which can dramatically change how a person behaves and thinks. This isn't to say the actions of brain damaged individuals are entirely excusable - harm is harm and should be addressed. But suggesting it was always what the person was really like is severely misstating what brain damage is.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Drinking doesn't reveal who someone truly is and prolonged drinking does damage your brain. It can even go as far as to induce psychosis

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's an insult to everyone who weathers a little brain damage without becoming a zionist conservative shitbag.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

*turncoat.

Red coats at least had the decency to hold onto their views.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I couldn't decide which term was better. I went with red because maga. Turncoat fits better though.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck him anyways! Will my homies hate fetterman.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes they will, hopefully all of them.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Unfortunate typo but leaving it so your content makes sense to late comers.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Their brains are made of the same rotten soup?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Brain damage

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Fuck him, let him get confused and play in traffic.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Never trust anyone from York County.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Brain damage, mayn. Pretty fkn obvious.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

One of my best friends has had multiple TBIs. She doesn't always make the best decisions, but she is still a good person with the same morals and core values she has always had.

In the case of Fetterman, I feel like you're really giving brain damage too much credit for his consistent willingness to do harm to other people.

Even other people with brain damage have spoken out against this guy.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/as-fellow-stroke-survivor-fetterman-disgusts-me-20341662.php

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean, regardless of anecdote or how people feel, stroke survivors personalities shifting and becoming more selfish, conspiratorial, and hateful is a well known and documented medical phenomena. Like many such things, it happens in some cases and not others, and on a spectrum of impact.

I don't know if anyone, Fetterman included, knows for sure the truth.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The behavior that results following brain damage usually correlates with where the brain damage occurs.

To say that this would fully explain Fetterman is to pretend that there is a single imaginary area of the brain that works as a moral compass and his was completely wiped out following his stroke.

That's not to say he couldn't be more easily manipulated or persuaded by outside forces because of the brain damage.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

With a stroke, the whole brain is being affected. It's a partial or complete lack of oxygen.

Everything is on the table.

https://www.stroke.org/en/help-and-support/resource-library/lets-talk-about-stroke/personality-changes

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Everything is on the table. Something like production of speech into meaning can be damaged following a stroke, so that somebody could very clearly write down what they want to say but lose the ability to verbally express the same words.

There is no single area of the brain that fully regulates or controls moral behavior. Even with global damage you would expect to see decreased functioning of several areas. You might expect randomness or inconsistencies in behavior, but this seems like a pretty consistent pattern for him. That's what makes it hard to believe brain damage is the full explanation.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You made a claim.

I made a scientific claim that counters yours with evidence from a trusted, scientific source.

Either cite a scientific source that directly states such a personality change cannot occur in this way from a stroke, or you're just arguing against science with vibes and feels and no one here needs to take you seriously.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 44 seconds ago) (1 children)

~~You're confusing personality and morality.~~ that's a shitty way to put that, sorry.

Those are two separate things.

I never argued that a personality change couldn't occur. Personality change in humans following a brain lesion from an injury is neuroscience 101.

That is not what this is.

I'm arguing that Fetterman's support of things that contradict who he (still to this day, claims to be) are harmful to the people he is supposed to represent should not be excused as simply a consequence of his stroke.

Edit: So this ended up making me interested in just looking more into the neuroscience of morality.

Damage to the prefrontal cortex is associated with an increase in utilitarian moral judgements. Damage to the prefrontal cortex increases utilitarian moral judgements(2008)

Damage to the amygdala (vs frontal) actually seemed to cause a breakdown of utilitarian moral behavior Breakdown of utilitarian moral judgement after basolateral amygdala damage

Here, in humans with selective bilateral BLA damage, we show breakdown in outcome-based sacrificial moral judgements. Across dilemmas, healthy control subjects routinely opt for sacrifice, but BLA-damaged subjects rarely select the sacrificial option, even when thousands of lives can be saved. Our data suggest that value-based decisions to sacrifice another human for “the greater good” critically depend on the BLA.

Participants with hippocampal damage were also less likely to choose the utilitarian option Hippocampal Damage Increases Deontological Responses during Moral Decision Making

We found that the patients approved of the utilitarian options significantly less often than control participants, favoring instead deontological responses—rejecting actions that harm even one person. Thus, patients with hippocampal damage have a strikingly opposite approach to moral decision making than vmPFC-lesioned patients.

Conversely, this 2022 paper found brain damage itself is not a significant predictor: Intact moral decision-making in adults with moderate-severe traumatic brain injury

Our results suggest that moral decision-making ability is not uniformly impaired following TBI. Rather, neuroanatomical (lesion location) and demographic (age at injury) characteristics may be more predictive of a disruption in moral decision-making than TBI diagnosis or injury severity alone. These results inform the neurobiology of moral decision-making and have implications for characterizing patterns of spared and impaired cognitive abilities in TBI.

A 2025 study looking at both frontal and non frontal brain damage found that individuals with brain damage did indeed seem to make incorrect judgments about intention and blame worthyness and we're more likely to be punitive to an antagonist in scenarios they were presented compared to healthy controls. They also found in that in this scenario moral judgment ratings did not differ between frontal and non‐frontal lobe damage (but note a small sample size of frontal lobe damage). Impact of brain damage on moral judgment

This wasn't a study of brain damage, but really interesting in terms of difference in morality networks of conservative vs liberals:

Moral reasoning displays characteristic patterns in the brain, with distinctions between moral categories

They discovered that a general network of brain regions was involved in judging moral violations, like cheating on a test, in contrast with mere social norm violations, such as drinking coffee with a spoon. What’s more, the network’s topography overlapped strikingly with the brain regions involved in theory of mind. However, distinct activity patterns emerged at finer resolution, suggesting that the brain processes different moral issues along different pathways, supporting a pluralist view of moral reasoning. The results, published in Nature Human Behaviour, even reveal differences between how liberals and conservatives evaluate a given moral issue.

Mounting evidence from survey and behavioral experiments suggests that liberals (progressives) are more sensitive to the categories of care/harm and fairness/cheating, which primarily protect the rights and freedoms of individuals. Conservatives, in contrast, place greater emphasis on the loyalty/betrayal, authority/subversion, and sanctity/degradation categories, which generally operate at the group level.

“Indeed, our results provide evidence at the neurological level that liberals and conservatives have complex differential neural responses when judging moral foundations,” Weber explained. That means individuals at different points along the political spectrum likely emphasize completely different values when evaluating a particular issue.

If it could be shown that following his stroke and recovery, his brain for example re-wired to function in a morally conservative way, it would makes him less culpable for his actions, but it also raises an interesting question. If voters elected a Democrat who then "became a conservative," should he have considered stepped down because he could no longer represent the people that elected him?

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Still don't see any sources for any of these claims.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

TL;DR: brain damage