If you think gays are the worst thing about Discovery, you haven't watched Discovery...
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First interracial kiss on TV
I wasn't really the biggest fan of Discovery, but those two guys weren't the reason for sure.
It took me forever to figure out why the bottom picture was “bad”…
Hopefully, people in 60 years will be saying the same about the top picture.
Wonderfully said
I mean, it doesn’t have to be 60. I’d take next year too.
Next year for people to not even immediately recognize why it might be controversial? That'd require everyone's memories to get messed up pretty badly by something.
Not saying it’s probable, I’m just saying that we don’t have to wait 60 years lol
will they?
they should. but the way things are going i am not certain at all.
Why didn't those people get outraged with Jadzia's lesbian kiss in DS9 in the 90ies?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Rejoined_Dax_and_Lenara_kiss.png
Because women kissing women is sexy to straight men.
Men kissing men is not sexy to those same men.
It's misogyny.
I recall there being angry letters sent about how it was inappropriate for a kid, and who ever responded basically said [heavily paraphrasing] 'there's guns, violence and death and you draw the line at two women kissing? Fuck off'
one theory is that ds9 was fucking great and discovery waa poo poo.
which had fuck all to do with gay people. I mean, I guess it may have in a sense now thst I think abojt it, but only in the narrowest of ways and as an overt symptom of 2 dimensional character writing. Paul Stamets' partner's whole character was basically "I'm a gay doctor", which combined with "my whole character is that I have anxiety" Tilly and Michale "I have problems with authority" Burnham really show how weak the writing was.
which, if you stop and think about it, has anout as much do with being gay as flowers do with the plot of The Room.
I tried to watch Discovery. Forced myself through season one and only could manage a few episodes in season two.
The writing is just so bad, I can't handle it. This coming from someone that regularly rewatches older Trek and DOESN'T SKIP the few awful episodes.
100% right. Plus they were late to the party: the Shatner-Nichols kiss was absolutely groundbreaking on television in 1968, but a gay kiss on streaming in 2017 was not.
Some people hated Discovery because of progressive values, sure, but I hated it because these values were packaged in such flat characters as you said, participating in sci-fi stories that were just plain bad.
Is this from 7 years ago?
Yes, but Star Wars has been very white. That’s long before Disney.
Lucas is married to a black woman, Star Wars in general is full of aliens representing, ahem, different races, Star Wars 1980 and 1983 have Lando, and Star Wars prequels have a few black people on screen.
With Star Wars 1977 the story was that most of the people in the background were hired from the union in London when filming, probably not many black chaps there then. Or so I've read recently.
About interracial relationships - yes, not much of that on screen, if we don't count the heavily implied Leia-Jabba pairing.
With Star Wars 1977 the story was that most of the people in the background were hired from the union in London when filming, probably not many black chaps there then. Or so I’ve read recently.
There were plenty of black people in london back then, but maybe not in the acting union. Not sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_African-Caribbean_people#The_.22Windrush_generation.22
Well, I suppose there were also limitations to casting black people as Imperial military personnel (those people reminiscent of the British Empire and Nazis) and Tatooine, being somewhat reminiscent of Texas with Middle-Eastern additional vibes, too may not have been too suitable. But ... whatever.
I don't know, maybe Lucas even was racist sometime around 1977, but by 1980 no more. Who the hell knows.