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[–] eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I was raised around a lot of "patriotism" (closet nationalism) and have had to adapt the feeling now that I understand better what America actually is and has been. I found that trying to abandon the feeling altogether was making me feel cynical and alone. The parts of America that I love in fact tend to exist despite our government and dominant culture, which steals and appropriates the things I love about us and turns them into the things people know about us and dislike for good reason. I love the source materials, not the end result. As a white person born into privilege on stolen land, my existence is not entirely apart from this, but all's I can do with that is try to make something better of it.

There's a salt-of-the-earth working-class segment of this country that's getting screwed over, knows how and why they and others are getting screwed over, and has learned to survive together in spite of it. People that make families out of communities. Rail hoppers, union organizers, queer punks, the list goes on. That spirit is not unique to this country but there do exist uniquely American forms of it. I'm more proud of these people than words can express, and that's about as close to patriotic as I can feel these days.

Maybe I just like seeing our shitty protestant labor worship turned to something more productive. Maybe I just spent too much time in the mountains to not fall in love with the land itself. Or maybe I just love banjos.

[–] Norin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My take is that patriotism is a corruption of the feeling of belonging we get from community.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's not a 'corruption', it's just tribalism in the modern day

For an example of the corruption of the feeling of community, that would be politicians milking their base for donations by stirring up community fear: i.e. MS13 is going to rape your pets, send me money to be tougher on immigration

But just patriotism is what happens when humans live in groups larger than a hundred or so

It's also really dangerous in itself, even without intentional corruption and abuse

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pride in your country/state/etc is ok, nationalism is not. The US only knows indoctrination and nationalism. Canada is a little better about it with their buy Canadian movement, imo

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I quite like regionalism that doesn't align with national borders. An example would be "limburgers" have a strong shared identity, even as parts of it lie in Belgium, and parts of it lie in the Netherlands.

Fundamentally it comes down to this question, I think: people tend to like to be around people that've shared a same background, is that ok? And to what degree?

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tribalism is tribalism whether or not they reach national borders

The only reason you think they are 'cute' is that they don't have military power

Give the Limburgers a military that can compete on the world stage and in a few years they would be just the same as any other nationalist power

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Every tribe gains military power when I'm a member.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 day ago

Pride, no prejudice

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

To all the people just reposting famous quotes: congrats you misunderstood the lesson: think for yourself more please

Nationalism is tribalism in the modern day, and is just as destructive and irrational

Vicarious pride in achievements one never participated in, like sports teams but a lot deadlier

It has split families, forced neighbor to kill neighbor, collapsed nations and serves no purpose in the modern world and the ones that shout it loudest are the worst dangers to world peace

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't attribute anthropomorphism to a country. Improve your environment(mental/physical/emotional), help others; systems of government can come and go.

Id rather be happy than loyal to a fault.

anthropomorphism /ăn″thrə-pə-môr′fĭz″əm/

noun

Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.

The representation of the Deity, or of a polytheistic deity, under a human form, or with human attributes and affections.

The ascription of human characteristics to things not human.

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