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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 42 points 1 day ago

In return the US buys European trains, that won't fit their rails?

Then we would exchange stuff, we can't use.

Trump is such an idiot, that he drops out of the IQ scale

[–] Wisens@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Would anyone even want to buy them in those markets?

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 20 hours ago

Judging by the amount of pickup trucks that started to infest the streets around here the answer is probably yes.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Judging by the increase in F150 trucks on European roads.. yes.

They are not officially sold here but there are ways to import them legally and "affordably".
There is a subset of the population that will import these cars regardless of whether they are suitable for the environment.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The Ford F150 is a work truck. It was designed for (prototyped with) hauling duty in construction and mining ops. It's meant to carry lots of big things that won't reliably fit in a van.

However, using an F150 as your daily driver / shop runner is ridiculous, and you need money to support that fuel economy it doesn't get.

This coming from an American, in a state where it's culturally required to drive monster trucks as commuter cars.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Cool. I'll think of that when another F150 is parked both on the sidewalk and bikepath because it can't fit the parking spot.

These things are simply too large for European roads. And that is not even mentioning the road safety concerns.

A work truck does not have to be such a behemoth of a vehicle in order to be a practical work vehicle. You can get safer and smaller pickup trucks that can haul the same amount
(Or at the very least those used to exist)

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Luckily, they are a small subset. It's still annoying when they take their monster for shopping and block three parking lots.

[–] IllNess 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting. Have you seen a F250 or an F350?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

To my knowledge those are not road legal, since they are too large/heavy to be driven with a regular driver's licence
The F150 is just shy of the maximum allowed size/weight-limit

[–] IllNess 3 points 22 hours ago

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it.

[–] sucius@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've yet to see to see one. Where have you seen them? Is it Germany or the Netherlands?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're quite common in Belgium (from what I've seen), and I'm seeing them a lot in the Netherlands as well.

To my knowledge, in the case of the Netherlands, people are using a tax-loophole to import them into the country without paying the appropriate vehicle import tax. This is done by importing and registering the vehicle as a company vehicle, but using it as a personal vehicle as well

Importing an American pickup truck this way is still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as if they had to pay that tax.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

The road in front of my house isn't getting any bigger, 2 big trucks are not going to fit and I will sit and laugh as they try.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

They're very incompatible with infrastructure and environment.

When international companies build cars with the US in mind, they ensure they make sense in the US.

American cars are not tough enough for off-roading in most countries. They're too big and inefficient for on-road and urban. Where they do fit in, there's already many much better options and maintaining those fit-fir-purpose cars through their lifetime is much easier and cheaper because of after sale support and part availability.

You can improve a US car with modification, but it also isn't cheap and easy.

US car manufacturers can't compete with European and Asian manufacturers. They barely pull it off domestically. Only Ford has managed with its appeal to commercial fleets and some cars you can't even get in the US—that's how it's done if you want your shit bought.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I've seen more cybertrucks in Ontario than NY. Idiots live everywhere

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 21 hours ago

Fucking try it, my wall is a lot cheaper to replace than your car door. Bit of mortar, maybe a replacement brick or two.

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago
[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

AI made that graph.

so the graph is wrong. can you make an accurate graph and repost?

Who the fuck generates graphs with AI? Genuine slopper behavior.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 5 points 1 day ago

"AI helped me make this graph" Could just mean they got AI to write some matplotlib to plot real data. Though it is pretty slapdash to just state that with no further explaination.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What make you think the graph is wrong ?

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably knowing that the nature of LLMs is to generate output based on statistical associations, and that they don’t have the ability to look at data and understand it.

It’s also so fucking lazy to do that and then turn around and beg for people to pay you for it.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

LLMs generate theses kind of graph by writing a python program that plot a real dataset.
I don't see the issue you have.

nature of LLMs is to generate output based on statistical associations

that's also the nature of humans.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

LLMs generate theses kind of graph by writing a python program that plot a real dataset.

Assuming it even correctly does that. And why is that even necessary? People were able to make graphs before AI. It isn’t hard to do, and the piddling amount of data on display hardly needs a custom python program to plot it.

that's also the nature of humans.

Thoughts are more than statistical associations, and anyone telling you that you can make a humanlike consciousness through a glorified autocorrect is a scam artist.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

People were able to make graphs before AI.

The times, and skill level required to make this graph dropped significantly.
Before, you may not even had this graph.

Thoughts are more than statistical associations

Do you even know -how- you think ? Anyone telling you they know how thought process works in the brain is a scam artist, you can't make any comparison between how work the two because we don't know how both operate to produce the output.

PS:

a humanlike consciousness

Does consciousness exists at all ? I can argue it's an illusion born from the ability of self reflection.