What if we made a different two state solution by returning Palestine to its people and moving Israel to the US? (where they're clearly loved and wanted)
this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2025
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At this point, I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised.
The one reassuring thing in all of this is that it's near certain that the era in which history can be manipulated is likely over - that the advent of the internet and the proliferation of information makes it so that once the principals are out of power or dead, history is going to narrow in on the actual truth.
And the actual truth about Israel and Palestine, and the US's involvement, is very, very ugly, and I suspect that no matter how much success the psychopaths and liars have diverting from that fact currently, it's going to come out eventually, and rightly take its place as a terribly shameful part of history.
It'll of course be too late for the mass-murderers and their enablers and co-conspirators to face the consequences they so richly deserve, but it's something.
just think how much worse this would have been if we elected Genocide ~~Joe~~ Harris
thankfully the both-sides voters warned me
The best predictor we have of how Harris's government would behave is Harris's own words and the actions of the labor government in the UK. Both of them are indistinguishable from Trump's current policies. Remember, it was the Biden administration that started the ethnic cleansing plan.
But something tells me you'll respond how Democrats usually respond. Literally sticking your fingers in your ears.
Would Harris’s administration be just as deaf to pressure from protests as the Donald administration has been?
Again, in making such decisions, all we can judge by is the evidence in front of our eyes. I observe:
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Liberal parties currently in power in Anglo countries are offering no meaningful resistance to Israel. None have stopped weapons shipments.
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There is broad refusal among the Democratic centrists, who Kamala is a firm member, to endorse Mamdani, primarily due to his stance on Israel.
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A continuation among Democratic party leaders to hold the line on Israel. Congressional Democrats haven't used what limited leverage they do have to slow the flow of weapons to Israel at all.
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A complete silence on Kamala since the election on the Israel issue. She's still a very influential voice in the party, and she still has political aspirations. She now doesn't even have the Biden admin keeping her on a short leash.
I am a scientist. I try to make judgments based on what I can directly observe. The default stance of centrist Democrats and of every liberal government in the Anglosphere has been continued unconditional support of Israel, even to today. And since Kamala hasn't stated anything to the contrary, the median observable behavior of politicians like herself is the best predictor we have of how she would have behaved as president. If you take a dispassionate evidence-based view of the issue, it's pretty clear that there would be no difference in the Gaza outcome between Kamala and Trump. Their policies are both 100% full support of the Israeli regime. Trump is just a lot more crass and cruel about it. Kamala virtue signals, Trump vice signals. But in terms of actual policy outcomes, their Israel policies are identical.
Completely ignoring the UN voting numerous times to hold Israel accountable and the US being the only one to block the vote. And the EU sanctioning. And France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc with their stances against Israel. Kinda seems like you’re just looking for reasons. Literally here’s an article from today. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/31/senate-democrats-vote-block-israel-arms-sales/
From a few months ago. https://www.axios.com/2025/04/03/senate-democrats-cancel-military-aid-israel
“If you take a dispassionate view” you’d stop ignoring the evidence that there is a difference between the two. I’m guessing you didn’t vote for Kamala and you’re looking for justification to make your reasoning less ethically dubious.
Edit: I’ve read your other comments in this thread and according to you the last statement I made is incorrect so please do explain the reasoning here. You’re either not paying attention to what’s actually happening, you haven’t fully thought about the situation, or you didn’t bother to research before making your comments.
The genocide Joe thing was ML propaganda by users who pretty much disappeared after the election.
Over a hundred thousand Gazans were murdered on Joe Biden's watch. That isn't propaganda, that's simple fact.
And that stopped Harris from taking over. So, now we have zero chance to stop the US, and we are falling apart from the inside—something I’m sure you’re enjoying.
Don't be rude. Don't accuse others of wanting a negative outcome. Don't assume how people voted, because you just assumed wrong.
Did you cast a vote for Kamala Harris in the 2024 US presidential election?
Yes. And so did every other leftist you see on here talking about the Biden/Kamala genocide problem. But no matter how many times folks like you are reminded of this, y'all just keep going on and pretending otherwise.
I think most of them didn’t vote. And since there is no way to prove it, I’ll think what I want based one what people scream.
Fucking cunts.