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I have a couple old pocket knives that belonged to my grandfather. I've looked at a lot of information about removing rust, polishing, etc. I used a gun cleaning solvent with wet/dry sandpaper to take off the heavy rust and brass wire brushes. I have polishing cloths and metal polish. I got them looking a lot better, but there is some damage to the metal itself on the oldest knife. It looks dimpled. Is there anything that can be done to help with the damage short of machinery to refinish the blade or something? I'm pretty new/inexperienced so I'm open to suggestions as long as it doesn't require buying expensive tools. The knife that is the worst was from my grandfather's tackle box so it was used hard.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Please, please, please, anyone coming across this comment, if you have an old knife ping me and wait before you do anything other than lightly oil and wipe it down

There's a lot of work that goes into preserving knives. This does not preclude using them! But there's an assumption that making old knives shiny and new-ish looking is a benefit to the knife. It isn't. If that's something anyone wants to do, I have zero issues with that because it isn't my knife.

I would hope that before anyone jumps at it, they'd check and see if they've got something rare or unusual just because some things have value beyond what they can do, or even how much they'd sell for. But that's not going to happen often, luckily.

So, OP, you have jumped in, so let's deal with what up do next.

What you have now is exposed metal. It's still got some of the patina to it, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get to a reasonable degree of stability.

See, steel oxidizes. Well, you can get steel that won't without major chemical fuckery, but even those super rust resistant steels can oxidize in the right circumstances.

When you look at a knife (or and steel or iron item tbh), not all oxides are equal. Generally, you'll have two types: stable and unstable. Unstable oxides tend to be reddish, orange, or yellow, depending on the exact composition of the metal and what environment it's exposed to. Those oxides are going to keep "eating" the steel, and they'll do it fairly rapidly if no steps are taken.

However, when you see black, gray, bluish, or even some greenish coloring with or without added texture, the oxidation is going to be slow, or in the right circumstances even non progressive. That's the kind of oxides called patina. I suck at remembering the chemistry involved, but it comes down to how the atoms interact. Point being that a patina is one kind of reaction, and having it present prevents other kinds.

So knife geeks always get upset when someone gets rid of a patina rather than treating it to improve the function of the knife. But if you aren't already a knife geek, you wouldn't know anything about it.

Here's the key to making a "high carbon" steel last. You want a clean and smooth surface first. Then you want to control how oxides form. It really isn't difficult with a new knife. You just keep it clean and oiled, don't store it in leather or fabric sheathes/cases, and use it or store it in a fairly low humidity environment with a decent coating of oil. There's fancy shit you can use for long term storage, and other fancy stuff for display, but that's tangential.

Now, you've pulled off a decent amount of patina, but you got lucky; you used mostly brass and seem to have been really light handed with the sandpaper. There's not a lot of surface scratching, and that's good because scratches are where moisture loves to gather and make rust happen.

What you want to do next is get a magnifying glass and check to see how severe any scratches that can't be seen in the picture are. If they're even and not super deep, you're good to go. If they're uneven or very deep, you'll need to even them out with some very fine steel wool or something like a 1k grit automotive sandpaper.

I'm not seeing anything in the picture that's a major issue, but it is an image that's been sent over the internet, so it might not show the scratch pattern on this end, no matter how much effort you put into a pic.

But, once you have a smooth and even surface, if you're going to use it, all you need is some mineral oil, or maybe some 3-in-1, or your favorite gun oil (I'm a ballistol or rem-oil preferrer, but almost anything will do). Just a little dab on a rag and rub it on until there's a slight shine from the oil. Not enough to run, too much is as bad as not enough in its own way

Then you sharpen and use for decades. The patina will come back over time, and you'll never need to do anything other than oil it and keep the joint free of debris.

If you're going to throw it in a drawer, holla back at me, and I'll run though my preferred options if you want.

Seriously, there's nothing damaged in that picture. There's signs of wear, use, and time, but that isn't damage, that's just a used item. Most of that, like the steel itself, you'd do harm trying to make it all shiny and new looking. Even the bolsters wouldn't really benefit from polishing tbh, and wouldn't look right if you did.

That dimpling, btw, has a big benefit. Makes the sides of the knife have little pockets when it's cutting through something wet. It won't stick as much as perfectly flat sides.

For the future, when removing rust, start with solvents and cloth, maybe an old toothbrush. Elbow grease ain't gonna damage metal at all. Brass brushes are for when that fails. But, if it isn't yellow, orange, or red, and it doesn't come off with a nylon brush and some wd40, it probably shouldn't come off at all unless you plan to force a patina (which is doable, but has issues and problems that come with it too).

Legit man, I've been a knife geek since I was a kid, and I fucked up a few knives before I found out what does and doesn't benefit a knife long term. There are times when stripping down to raw metal is called for, but you have to be willing to do what it takes to keep it in good shape after that

Edit: side note: that's an old imperial. Decent knives, not likely high dollar collectibles, but they're a fairly popular brand among collectors

[–] you_are_dust@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What kind of cloth are we talking about using here? I've seen so much conflicting information online about this topic. It's really crazy. What I used to clean the oil and cleaners I used on this knife was a Caribbean gem polishing cloth. This is something I saw recommended on something I was reading about cleaning up old knives. I've seen people say not to just use any old rag, but I don't know what is what now.

[–] godot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Knife stuff is pretty niche. A lot of what people do is based on experience and conjecture rather than a complete understanding of what they’re doing.

Your pocket knife, while cool and sentimental to you, is only a little more complicated than your dinner knives. You wouldn’t want to wipe down your dinner knives with a dirty shop towel and risk a chunk of sandpaper grit scratching them, or risk leaving behind a gross residue. But a disposable shop towel, paper towel, or clean cloth is fine for cleaning them. Maybe a q-tip for smaller spaces.

Polishing cloths have (minimal imo) value in handling heavily polished knives, those that have been taken to a very fine aesthetic polish. Not a typical concern.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I totally get it. The problem is that there's multiple goals with knife maintenance amd preservation, so you end up with conflicting information that looks like it can work for every situation, but doesn't really.

Me, if I'm taking an old slipjoint like that from rusty but intact, I'll use whatever rag is handy. Old t-shirt material, flannel, denim, whatever. Shop towels work great too, those cheap and rough ones in particular.

Since the goal with your specific situation was to get rust gone, the solvent is what matters, not what you use to do the rubbing. If you're dealing with something that's got fragile handle materials, you want to watch what you use. And, you do want something that isn't linty because those little fibers can get into moving parts, but for just oiling and derusting, anything works since you'll follow up with a thorough oiling anyway.

See, there are knives where you essentially have nothing useful but blades, or where blades need replacing or reshaping, and that does change what you can do, and what you should do. Some knives have high monetary or historical value, so you have to approach them with that in mind. So you run into knife geeks that only approach a given knife through the most conservative lens possible, but also ones that are purely utilitarian because that's the kind of knives they deal with most.

My take is that even a crappy knife that you plan to use should be treated with minimum removal of material. The life span of a knife is in the steel. The more you sand or grind away, the less life is left, no matter what kind of preservation would be involved.

That can look different based on conditions and resources, but that way of thinking helps a lot. Now, you aren't going to fuck up a knife blade that's at least relatively intact by hitting it with metal polish and some shop towels. Or by light scrubbing with other abrasives that are fine grained, or otherwise can't dig into the steel itself.

It also helps to Indiana's understand that there's more than one kind of job possible. You can clean a knife, which is just getting rid of dirt, grime, and any surface discoloration; followed by oiling and sharpening.

You can repair a knife, which would be fixing broken parts, possibly regrinding things as needed, but generally taking a knife that isn't usable and making it usable. This isn't something you do with antiques or historical items, but a knife for use is no problem.

You've got restoration, which is not making it like new, that's refurbishing. Restoration is a form of preservation where you stabilize existing parts, and make sure they last while also hopefully making it usable if it wasn't. The goal though is mainly to make the knife suitable for display and collection, so you do the bare minimum intervention. This is what you do for collections and displays.

Refurbishing though, that's when you're taking a knife as close to new as possible without entirely replacing everything. You'd possibly sand or otherwise resurface the blade. You'd replace or repair parts as possible and needed. But you aren't trying to preserve anything other than usability, negate because once you're done, any monetary or historical value is gone, and all you have is a useful tool again.

Your knife, there's no historic value there, or monetary, because they're fairly common and easy to find still. So unless you're super into collecting for the far future, all you have to worry about is keeping it in working order. So you don't have to worry as much. It's a matter of just not making things worse as much as trying to make things better.

You run into old farts like me, we tend to do the bare minimum. Why spend a week futzing around with tasks that don't bring anything to the knife? Why grind when you can scrub? Why scrub when you can just soak and wipe down? The less you have to do, the less you change what doesn't need changing. You could spend hours carefully grinding and sanding to get flat sides and shiny steel, but for what? It's still an old knife that looks old, so why not let it look uniquely old? The more you change a given knife, the less of its history is there anyway, and you might as well just buy a new one.

Which is all long winded, I know, but it's important to understand the why more than techniques. There's dozens of ways to achieve a goal, but figuring out that goal in the first place takes a bit of theory instead of application.

[–] you_are_dust@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I appreciate all the information you have provided in your comments. Thanks!

[–] godot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly, this is pretty good work. The oxidation you have left looks healthy and the pitting is typical of knives that age. The bevel is straight and clean, doesn’t look like the knife is bent. For what it’s worth I can and have done full polishes through pitting like that and in a recent restoration I chose to stop just a hair after where you are.

If the pitting really bothers you, smaller blades (particularly blades in pinned knives like that) are best polished by hand with minimal tools, power tools are too fast to be precise and the pinned handles are too close to the blade to keep them safe. You’d want to mask off the handle, place the blade on a soft surface butted up against the edge of the table, handle off the table, and polish the blade with heel to tip strokes of a dowel wrapped in sandpaper, starting around 100. Once all the pitting is gone (and only once all the pitting is gone) you’d go up gradually in grit to maybe 240; where you stop is a personal preference, but it’s going to oxidize a little in the future, so a super clean polish wouldn’t last.

I would not suggest learning to sharpen this freehand. Small blades are hard and knives without locks are hard. Get a legit pro to do it (they can take out the recurve in a few minutes) or buy a Sharpmaker (which can handle recurves well). Recurves in working knives are not a big deal.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Since you already "ruined" the patina... Leave them alone. Full restoration only erases the wear that is their story.

Those rust pock marks can only be addressed by adding metal via welding with a suitable filler and then finishing to even the surface. That would require full disassembly, which likely means replacing pins/rivets.

You could do a sort of kintsugi with a compatible material, but how that turns out depends entirely on the material and process.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not exactly a knife restoration expert, but I've done a bit of cleanup, repairs and sharpening on some knives before.

A photo or three would help a lot...

[–] you_are_dust@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I updated the post to include an image. This is the one that was a tackle box knife. I'm not sure how well the image captures those marks.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cool cool 👍

Personal opinion, what cleanup you've done already is pretty good. I wouldn't want to outright clean it up to flat machined metal though, as the more material you take off, the thinner and smaller the blade gets.

From what I see, I'd more or less just sharpen the edge (if it needs it, kinda looks like it could use it), oil it, and call it a day.

The old rust pitting? That just shows character and age..

[–] you_are_dust@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I pulled it through a sharpener, but it didn't seem to do much for it. Just one of those kitchen counter sharpeners. I'm finding that those don't really do a whole lot I guess.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Those sharpeners are typically only useful to touch up a barely worn/dull blade occasionally. What you have there appears to have a bit of a curved and rather worn edge, that'll take some better tooling and some more work, and it really helps to have experience, or ask a local expert to do that for you.

You really don't want to take off too much more metal, no more than is absolutely necessary to get the edges back flat and even. There are a number of ways to go about that, the true pros mount the knife in a jig first to keep the angle of the blade perfectly flat and consistent.

I happen to have a knack for doing that sort of thing freehand with a file and Dremel tool and the side of a cutting wheel, but I do not advise this sort of thing for amateurs.

And that's just to get the edges back flat and prepared for a new proper sharp edge, which from there typically requires a proper sharpening stone, leather strop, and as my late father taught me, a tungsten rod.

Again I'm not exactly an expert, but I do have a fair amount of experience, and have been able to sharpen blades enough to literally split hairs.

Best of luck, hopefully other commenters here can help you more than I have. But for real, be careful to not remove any more metal than necessary to get it back to good sharp usable condition.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Those things are pretty much useless. Cheapest good option is a diamond stone. https://youtube.com/watch?v=pagPuiuA9cY

[–] Rhaxapopouetl@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 days ago

If your grandfather name was Theseus, you could simply replace the blade, then the handle.