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Is your mom an English sex therapist? Do you give sex advice in an abandoned bathroom stall?
It's not out of the realm of possibility that it's normal for your family, but for most families that wouldn't be normal.
If you're family is open about being sex positive, if talking with your parents about masturbating wasn't weird as a teenager, then I don't think it's that weird of a college send off gift.
I'm gonna go with somewhere around super duper.
It's an unusual gift and would make most people incredibly awkward but there's nothing sinister in the act itself, absent of the context. People gift things like guns and alcohol and I would argue those do more harm.
In on itself it's not directly red flags I'd say. It depends on the family, it depends on a lot of things. Maybe they're just oen about sexuality and don't see it as a big deal. As long as there is no abuse involved, I think it should be fine.
It's unusual for sure and I'm guessing that if the birthday boy opened up this present in public this would have caused a lot of uncomfortable laughter, sure.
It depends on the actual intention but it potentially falls under what is referred to as covert incest, especially if there's a pattern. It's not something people talk about a lot but it's more common than you'd think and it can definitely have a lasting impact.
How would this be incest? I know most people don't talk about sex. But some people are more open and talk about this stuff. In your opinion is talking about sex with your children incest?
I mean I think the op it would be weird but my family just shoved everything down and hides it.
Covert incest is a fixed term and that's a common reaction to hearing it for the first time.
In your opinion is talking about sex with your children incest?
Usually not but if it's done with hidden motives it sure can be covert incest - which again is a different thing from what the name might lead one to believe.
Same energy as grandad buying his grandson a sex doll. Make sure to not buy the Gazorpazorps Gwendolyn model.
Very. When I want to get off, I don’t want my Mum involved.
Not even with broken arms?
Your poor mother with broken arms most certainly should'nt be involved.
Why must I keep being reminded of this :(
If anyone isn't familiar: they're referencing a rather touching story, definitely Google it.
::: spoiler Plsdont :::
Touching is the right verb.
It depends - are their arms broken?
a semi obscure Reddit reference appears
It's an older meme, but it checks out.
14 years ago, just checked. Here's the link, just in case there's someone who never heard of this story:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nmmjr/iama_man_who_had_a_sexual_relationship_with_his/
I... Uh... Might have been raised in a culture that is quite different from yours, but I'd say very abnormal.
It's entirely possible for a mother & son to have a loving, honest, and very Open relationship. They can discuss anything and be supportive.
Giving that kind of gift could fit right in with the dynamic. Or, a family could enjoy giving "gag gifts" and it could be one of those.
It does not have to be a weird or bizarre gift.
Yeah, context is very important. It goes from fucking weird, to funny depending.
I fall into the latter category. At one point while I was growing up my dad gave my recently-divorced aunt a glow-in-the-dark vibrator for Christmas, and everyone thought it was hilarious. My sister and I had to pretend we didn't understand what it was. Grandma I think maybe actually didn't know what it was.
I definitely also have known people who would be mortified to even hear that story, much less have it happen to them. It really does just depend on the dynamic.
its extremely wierd, and getting close to oedipus/fruedian territory. maybe as a gag gift, if the son is doing something like porn, but even that is sitll wierd.
This is rather high on the cringe list.
I didn't know what a fleshlight was and assumed OP misspelt Flashlight, assuming OP expected something bigger for their 18th birthday. Needless to say, the comments were quite confusing.
I'm going against the majority.
It can be made into a weird situation, but the act itself is pragmatic and likely comes from a caring place.
Every parent with a son knows that theyre buffing the helmet any chance they get as teenagers. They're gonna make messes, ruin washcloths, use all the hand lotion, etc. Any parent who thinks their son ain't beating their meat like it owes them money is delusional. Long before your kids get to masturbation age, the parent(s) should have talked about it. If you wait until they get to the age of shame, that is going to be an uncomfortable and unproductive conversation. If you have had an ongoing and open dialog about sex, masturbation, their bodies and other topics, talking about some of the details later will not be a taboo topic. Thusly if the parent offers a masturbatory device to the child, it won't be weird unless someone wants to make it that way. If the conversations have not taken place and you still want to get your kid a sex toy, you could just order something online and leave it for them without saying anything. You could also get them a gift card to the sex store so they can get something for themself. While I presume most teenage boys dont want to share their private acts of self - gratification with their parent, there is no reason why there cannot be practical honesty about them. Get your kid a sex toy, leave it in his room, and unless he wants to talk about it, assume that he will get many hours of satisfaction from it.
Giving their son a sex toy, whatever, not common, but it can help have a normal conversation about sex and realistic expectations.
For his birthday, kind of weird. I don't think it should so formal a thing. Just so it and have the conversation about safe sex and how porn isn't like real sex.
For his 18th, uhhhh little late to the party.
Okay but also giving a kid a sex toy before their 18th birthday is how you end up on a list and have to tell your neighbors about it.
On a scale of 1 to 10?
A solid 13.
"Abnormal" is pretty clear - this isn't something I'd expect to see from one mom in a thousand - maybe ten thousand.
But so what? I doubt it's an unhealthy act or situation, so fuck those other 9,999 moms! Actually, don't - you have a fleshlight.
Only if it's a present the size of a car in the garage and you invite everyone over to witness him unwrap it.
Pretty weird.
That’s old enough they can buy their own.
Is it like a really passive aggressive sign mom doesn’t like their gf?
between a scale of "giving your kid condoms and the talk on prom night" and "mother measures my penis every weekend at bath time” this is a solid "my mother bought me a fleshlight so I remember her every time I crank it".
Jesus dude...I'm sorry. and if you're into that shit...congratulations?
I remember watching this show dark side of the ring, and this one wrestler buff bagwell would get his mom to shave his asshole for him. Some people are weird
I could have gone my whole life not knowing this. now that I know....I must tell others, and progress the dark shame of humanity.
Ignoring context, it would be unusual, but not inherently worrying. There's plenty of mothers that help guide their daughters to an age appropriate sex toy, and some that will do the same for their sons. Rarer, there are fathers that will do so, but men have to worry more about external opinions about such. A mothers buys a dildo for their kid, the default assumption is that it's weird, but not bad. A father does it, and the default assumption is that he's over the line.
That being said parents should be the default source is advice about such things, because a bunch of young idiots (as opposed to old idiots) trying to advise each other about things they don't have much experience with is a recipe for hospital visits.
In terms of general purpose guidance, and funding/ordering sex toys, there's nothing wrong with a parent helping their kids in that way, assuming care is taken. There's even an argument to be made that verbal instructions on safe use are even to be encouraged, and helpful hints aren't exactly out of line (for real, a lot of young people masturbate in unhealthy ways that just a few sentences could prevent much trouble down the line).
In context, with the info you provided in comments, the mother in question is not being a good parent in this case, so it fits the word abnormal in the sense that it is unhealthy.
I’d be super curious to hear the context if you’re willing/able to share, but it all depends on the relationship between the mother and son. It strikes me as a bit weird and abnormal, and certainly embarrassing, but if you normally talk about sex in an open and healthy way with her, then this might not be as weird as it seems. Parents know their kids play with themselves, and it’s usually healthier to be open about it than to stigmatize it, but actively buying this kind of thing for her son is a bit much in my opinion…
He’s slightly intellectually disabled (if she had permitted him to have an education, he’d probably be normal) and she was obsessed with him. His sexuality was something that was very “open” to the family, like we all knew about his Megan Fox poster with a hole in it (which she bought for him) and the used tissues in his room were… excessive. Never cleaned up, could smell it in my room.
At one point he chased me and my younger sister around the house waving his penis at us.
I experienced something complicated from her, which toes the line around sexual abuse but isn’t as direct as “she diddled me.”
I’m of course the black sheep and have zero contact with anyone other than my sister now for having pointed out how weird/abusive the family dynamics were…
Dude you buried the lede here.
I’m pretty sex positive and there are a lot of great suggestions from other users on how to make this a normal thing in normal dynamics…
But this makes it really weird
Dude, no. That is all super problematic.
He has been sexually abused by her, perhaps covertly. There is enough in what you described that if I was a mandated reporter, I'd be making a call. From what I know of CSA, he has multiple flags and signs of being sexually abused (nearly every sentence you wrote, actually). Kids don't run around with their genitals put like that, chasing people, unless they were abused. Literally every developmentally delayed perskn I've known to do that ended up being sexually abused. Did he bed wet or soil his bedding at night as well, well into older age, eg middle school age, when he shouldn't have been doing that?
Highly recommend, when you feel okay to do so, to look up emotional incest first, and parentification/adultification. That will explain how your mother has been grooming your brother to be her stand-in husband. The reason she didn't want him to go to school is because a husband her age wouldn't go to school (they are also full of mandated reporters - did she also avoid taking him to doctors and dentists?).
It sounds like your mom also had an emotionally incestuous relationship with you as well, so reading that material can be extremely "triggering" for you. My sincere condolences, it is very traumatizing. Reading about it can bring up old memories as your brain tries to organize old memories with this new information. Often people get tired, agitated, or even regress in age. Give yourself plenty of time to mentally adjust and read and lots of breaks outside walking around, ideally in nature, w eyeballs moving around and looking up at trees or clouds. OR you can try to play a game like Tetris afterwards (Tetris is specifically studied as being helpful for PTSD/trauma).
I will also rec the book The Borderline Mother, I'm not sure this applies to her at all, but my guess is that it does
And if it does, also recommend the book Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist. Likely you already do much of this which is why you're the "black sheep" (aka you dont give her supply).