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From your comment I'm going to guess that like most in this community, and lemmy as a whole, you know a lot more about this than your average user.

From the perspective of a reasonably tech savvy person that doesn't like to be told how to do things and is willing to put in a little effort, the question I ask is this; is this hardware I bought actually mine to do with as I please out of the box with a minimum amount of guardrails to stop me from doing something really stupid unless I know what I'm doing as opposed to just licensing it from a nanny?

Linux - yes, maybe too much, at least for me.

Windows - yeah, usually.

Mac - lmao no, stfu and take your sippy cup.

And there is nothing wrong with someone who is just a user saying "I don't ever want to deal with any of this shit, I'll take the sippy cup." But it's still a sippy cup.

Yeah, Mac stuff is white or silver now. They stopped doing the colourful stuff 20-odd years ago.

Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.

Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their 'customers'.

I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.

The trashing of the Apple machines is undeserved, but the Windows one is relatively accurate.

Windows is the thing that everybody uses, like a car. But, it should be a modern car where the car manufacturer requires you to pay a yearly subscription to unlock basic features that shipped with the car. It's a car that you can't fix yourself, and have to take to an authorized service station where they pay a fee to get access to the tools that allow them to diagnose the car.

I don't know what the Mac one should be. A modern Mac is really powerful. It's a Unix machine with a clean and polished UI. But, it's true that it shields the average user from the complexity if they don't want to dig deeper. Maybe it's a modern Bugatti. A luxurious vehicle that has obscene power under the hood.

Right? Windows is like a Tesla. One of those wankpanzers that cut off your fingers, brick in the car wash and immolate their drivers.

I completely agree. As a software developer I preferred when I had a Mac whereas our company uses Windows and Microsoft for everything and it just meh.

Mac was so easy to do everything from the terminal or the search bar.

I enjoyed using a MBP for a few years, mostly for the trackpad. I eventually grew too annoyed with the desktop crashes and iCloud bloat though. I built a new Linux workstation last year, and it just feels like home 🐧.

Weird, I've been forced to use a Mac for work, never liked it. I prefer Debian or other non-rolling-release distros with long term support, and haven't had a Linux install get messed up in many years (since I used Arch, and something went wrong with my proprietary Nvidia drivers after an update).

As another engineer, I won't touch another Mac until it allows me to upgrade memory and disk without buying a whole other unit.

I was going to say that to make this accurate they need to show the complete car for windows.

There is a copilot in the passenger seat writing down everything you do and making suggestions left and right, and the screen has to have ad's on it.

The back seats are empty and the rear doors are locked because you don't havn't licensed them.

What distro does she use? Mint?

Linux is user-friendly, but it is way more customisable than either Windows or MacOs

Even that needs a disclaimer. I was ordering some SFF PCs for my org last week and was kind of shocked how much the Lenovo and Dell PCs in that form factor were.. out of curiosity I specc’d a Mac Mini with the same RAM and storage and they came in a little cheaper with a better processor. Only caveat is the lack of USB A ports, but dongles are super cheap anyway. If my users wouldn’t need training to use them I would definitely have considered (maybe even preferred from a device management perspective) the Mac Mini.

I decided to switch to mac a couple of years ago. I have been extremely unhappy with the results. I have a good mechanical keyboard which is built for both PC and Mac (it has Mac-specific keys), but nope, compability sucks and keybindings are messed up across a lot of the keys, making it basically a guessing game each time I need a paranthesis. I usually work within a Linux VDI. Within the VDI, keybindings are further messed up, making it hard to find the correct keys, even on the integrated laptop keyboard. I have a usb-c connected screen/docking station which only connects properly about 75% of the time. I have a stream deck which randomly refuses to connect, making me have to unplug and replug every now and then. I regularly want to connect to multiple display, which often turns put to be unsupported and basically impossible.

To me, it just seems like compability for mac is completely terrible. A lot of the issues could be solved by throwing more money at apple - by getting an apple keyboard or apple screen or subscription software - but for stubborn people like me, apple is not getting a dime for these kind of issues. None of these issues existed before I got the mac.

I am leaving the apple ecosystem for good when my company allows me to get a new machine.

And it's an official Unix system, which seems to bother some Linux users.

MacBooks are legitimately just superior laptops, especially now that apple silicon is well supported. I don't like iPhones or their desktops, but the laptops are pretty much unmatched in terms of portability, features, battery life etc

I am an unabashed Linux stan but I use a macbook to ssh into my Linux boxes because there is no Linux laptop which is half as good.