On the one hand, sucks that a leak like this even happens anymore, no one deserves to be doxxed like that. On the other hand, I struggle to feel bad for the users of the doxxing app getting doxxed in return...
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This is why age verification is dangerous. If a company can just forget to delete you ID picture, it will happen...
Everyone is talking about the poor security practices, which is fair. Or they are talking about the appropriateness of such an app existing, which is also fair.
But the immediate take away should be, especially in today’s political environment, that we cannot and should not trust sensitive data that leaves our device, particularly if you are of any kind of non privileged group.
the entire UK government disliked this comment
The UK government can shove it up their fucking arse.
Sincerely, A UK citizen.
And here's your daily reminder that the OSA was introduced, championed and passed by the Tories in 2023 despite outcry. Sunak even said at the time it was a problem for the "next Parliament" to deal with. Now they're trying to blame Labour.
Here is your reminder that Labour supported it.
This has been the case for a long time, so suddenly you have apps like Tea that encourage you to upload info of other people. So now even the few that take care not to upload their info can be nicely monitored. And the Gestapo does not even need to pay their informants for it.
Sir, a second plane.meme
The company should be sued into the ground. This is horrendous
In any other engineering discipline this would he negligence.
It is negligence, but information workers have very little regulation when it comes to handling personal data (outside of specific fields, like healthcare and finance).
I say this as an information worker who handles a lot of personal data. Worst case scenario, I get fired and can't use them as a reference. Unless I'm intentionally stealing data and using it for crimes there's no risk of criminal penalties.
We needed privacy laws 20 years ago but the tech bros assured everyone that it would be fine and for a long time they were mostly responsible with our data. But now we're well into the enshittification of the Internet and the lack of regulation is allowing these kinds of harms to become common.
Though, in a sane regulatory framework Tea wouldn't be allowed to exist in the first place. The entire point of the site is to doxx people and share personal details about them without their consent.
At least some of the negligence is on Google, for the atrocious default security settings in Firebase
The vulnerability is called hospital gown because they leave the back end wide open by design. It's not even a traditional vulnerability, since it's technically working as intended
In fairness if you leave Firebase in its default settings it won't shut up about it.
You get warnings on the website, and constant emails telling you that you're being a pillocked.
I mean, it's on brand. The doxxing app is successfully doxxing people...
Both the company, for failing to protect its users; and a large majority of its users, for doxxing and libel.
Its unfortunate that it happened this way, but now the people who are being libeled against and doxxed have the ability to find out about it where they didn't before.
Don't want your information on the internet? don't upload it to anyone on or over the internet, it really is a fucking simple concept.
Posted on an article about an app encouraging different users to upload info about you without your consent. Yes, really simple.
And live in a cave! 😬
It would be nice if also they secured data too.
don't upload it to the internet!
or use a smart phone
or corporate searches that track you
or go to any website with ads - they track you
hell don't even search the internet! your ISP tracks dns requests
or use a modern tv that tracks what is on your screen
or you can do custom phone from - just unlock the bootloader, root it, and install! then just setup pihole/adguard/self-host everything
it's simple, for privacy just go live in a yurt in the woods to not be tracked 24/7
Fucking simple concept which major businesses are economically compelled to gaslight you out of.
So the problem is in economics.
Each such business provides all of their infrastructure, expensive, good and well-maintained (Google has its own Internet cables), which is not separated from their application services.
So one provider of infrastructure (in the wide sense, solving all the problems) usually serves many users of their own application and many application providers (I'm inventing terms) without their own infrastructure.
While user of an application generally can't switch infrastructure providers as they want. It's kinda technically fine and normal (there are NTP server pools, one could in the olden days search many FTP servers for the needed file, and so on), but doesn't happen IRL. Because there's no standard way for pooling resources and tracking them, and there's no applications using it.
So - the data model (cryptographic global person identities, globally identified by some derived hash posts (a post is, say, datetime, author, some tags, content, hash of it all, signatures, I dunno) (creation of a group or a vote or a changing of privileges or moderation can be a post too), for forming a representation for the user a group is "replayed" in the right order to know which user had a privilege to, say, moderate posts etc ; one can also generate group snapshots from time to time when replaying thus, by the group owner identity, to make it faster) is orthogonal to the service model. That's important so that it were fit for alternative service models, like sneakernet or offline-enabled mesh or anything delay-tolerant. Or at least a p2p kademlia DHT-based service model.
The service model - the core of it all is a tracker service. It works like a tracker in BitTorrent (or maybe Hotline, but that's old), except with signed announces, and it tracks search and storage and relay and maybe even computation services (which announce themselves to it). A search service gets storage services from trackers and indexes their contents (one can even announce objects to a search service similarly to trackers, might be better) to search by tags. A storage service just stores objects and yields them. A relay service must be harder, you the user must somehow announce (to trackers too?) which relay service you are registered on at this moment, a bit like SIP or like SMTP (only very temporary), so that messages to that relay service would reach you.
The client would just request a bunch of trackers for all things they need - to search for stuff for services, then request these services and merge their results. Forming a group representation is "searching for stuff" too, and then getting the objects referenced by index service responses from a bunch of storage services. To notify another user that you've sent them a message one can use a relay service.
I think it's easy to see that it's kinda primitive other than requiring proper cryptography. And it's a global system working over the Internet (except no, it doesn't exist). Similar to NOSTR, but I think better due to separation of data model and service model.
The advantages of this - one still can make any kinds of applications using such common infrastructure, but the resource-based feudalism we have this might hurt. Similar to how BitTorrent keeps working despite quite a few people not liking it.
The disadvantages - well, stuff will get lost, there are paid BT trackers but no paid BT peers, while in such a system paid storage and other services would be a thing (still much better than Facebook).
I never thought there would be a dating intel war going on and this the second time too.
its like the ashley madison drama, which exposed cheating.
I was today years old when I learned that Ashley Madison is still in operation
This is why you don’t vibe code a webservice
This wasn't vibe coding, it's incompetant devops.
You have to go out of your way to make these buckets public like this. Several giant "Everyone will have access to this" warnings, re-authentication, a permanent warning symbol on the dashboard AND regular e-mails reminding you that you have a public bucket. I don't even think you can do this via the API, it requires a human to manually make this setting.
I'm guessing that they couldn't figure out how to configure the Access Control Lists and just made it public so that it would work. That's fine in a test environment, without any user data but it's pure incompetence to have a production system setup this way.
They hired an investigator? Any investigator worth a shit is gonna say that they're liable for failing to secure private data they collected, ~~as well as for retaining data they were apparently legally obligated to delete~~
Edit: Misread that segment, they actually presented it as if they were deleted to users, but apparently retained them to comply with vague "law enforcement requirements."
"Sir, we've already been breached once!"
"But what about second breach?"
The Tea app is a women-only dating safety platform where members can share reviews about men, with access to the platform only granted after providing a selfie and government ID verification.
This sounds irresistible for angry misogynists. The only thing that surprises me about this is that it didn’t happen earlier.
If you're out of the loop, I found this article fairly helpful for a primer on the issues. It's CNN, but I can't be arsed to find a more kosher source.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/25/us/tea-app-dating-privacy-cec
404media did a great piece about what happened. available as podcast too. https://www.404media.co/a-second-tea-breach-reveals-users-dms-about-abortions-and-cheating/
Requires account
their podcast is freely available on spotify and such