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[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Younger generations are ignoring it as well. They're busy blaming past generations, while they themselves are some of the biggest contributors to our current climate crisis.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So bezos and his guests flying dozens of individual private jets to Venice are the "younger generations"? It doesn't have a lot to do with age but seems to correlate with wealth. The wealthier you are (as a nation and an individual) the more you typically (on average) contribute to climate change.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So bezos and his guests flying dozens of individual private jets to Venice are the “younger generations”?

As wasteful as that may seem, it's doesn't make much of a difference in the bigger picture. What does make a big impact is using all the services Bezos is providing. And not just his. Every cloud service uses an insane amount of energy. Youtube, TikTok, streaming services, online games, iCloud, Dropbox, video calls, crypto valuta, A.I. They can't build data centers fast enough to supply the demand.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are not ignoring it, you silly Billy. They are treating it like everyone else is.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They are the some of the biggest consumers of electronics and technology. What do you think powers that. Fairy dust?

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two things.

  1. Your original statement was that they were ignoring it, not that they were contributing to it. They are definitely not ignoring it. They have less ability to ignore it that any previous generation.

  2. Their consumption of electronics is the result of how they were brought up. Not that they have some kind of suicidal death wish. If you were in their generation you would be doing the same thing. As would I.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And if they where in an older generation, they would have done the same thing as that generation. That's exactly my point. Every generation follows the trends and do what they have to to get by. What gets my piss boiling is their whining that the climate crisis is the fault of older generations, while they themselves aren't any better.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago

That's a valid point.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And people think I'm crazy for starting an algae farm... There is no quick fix. "Science will figure something out"

I am part of that science, and I can barely afford to scale beyond what I consider my carbon footprint.

narcimalgae on YouTube, although the algorithm killed it (500 to 6 views on my last video)so I may move to peertube soon.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you give a quick elevator pitch for algae farms?

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Water holds 8 times the gasous CO2 as the atmosphere it is exposed to at a given pressure(altitude). The algae, being carbon-based, pulls the carbon from the water to grow, and releases the oxygen as a biproduct. The algae biomass can then be condensed and stored, or used as a raw agriculture material. Water, sunlight, and a small amount of fertilizer all fed by an air pump.

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago

You dont understand. The poor billionairs need their money nowwww!

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago

Phew, looks like the industrial revolution just saved us from falling below the safe climate zone! /s

[–] Dohnuthut@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

This is my boomer dad whenever he complains about it being extremely hot in the summer, cold in the winter, too much rain, etc. Always responds well it won't last too long and that's just nature, nothing we can do about it because it has a mind of its own.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 260 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Not to be that person, but my parents are completely incapable of comprehending this.

Not intellectually, but pragmatically and philosophically. They're like 60 years old, and even if it affects them in their lifetime, they'll be "dead in 20 years".

And on a low level, they're kind of right because most ordinary people aren't to blame for this, so shaming "parents" makes no sense.

Shame the international petroleum conglomerates, plastic producers, shipping, etc. You know, the actual emitters in the billions of gigatons.

[–] denial@feddit.org 191 points 3 days ago (5 children)

A lot of ordinary people voted for politicians that promised them cheap gas and cost of living, instead of the ones wanting to build a sustainable future.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (24 children)

A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences

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[–] passepartout@feddit.org 74 points 3 days ago (6 children)

My usual PSA:

Stop making things a generational conflict when it's a class conflict in reality.

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[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My parents believe we’re in the end times and god will return any day now. They were mentally ill from the get go. They are pure evil and don’t see the evil they are.

Go figure they’re also extremely obese and mostly immobile. They are sloths and glutens. They never took care of themselves and believe bullshit snake oil salesmen over their own children’s advice.

You can’t reason with the evil that is these fundamental cultists.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

We might very well be in the end times and maybe AI will wipe us from the planet to prevent earth from becoming Venus.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (18 children)

The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.

Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.

You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.

And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.

And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.

Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.

And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.

And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.

Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.

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[–] Pokey@midwest.social 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I was just thinking about the poor air quality today and yesterday here in the Midwest, and then I see this. I want to be hopeful we can change this in my lifetime, but I am also not optimistic.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Depends how old you are. I'm 47. It's gonna far worse. The question is will my kids be the ones to say it's bad enough? I don't know. Maybe theirs.

Also it's hilariously optimistic that this chart only thinks a 4 degree rise by 2100. Seems very conservative.

Personally speaking I'm investigating moving my family further north here in Canada to get ahead of the madness to come.

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[–] Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

And what were they supposed to do other than go out and vote in their own best interest?

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago

In retrospect they'll probably feel violence was justified. How many time machine scenarios will amount to ecoterrorism in the same way that we imagine we'd kill Hitler today

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 118 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Your parents ignored this

I've been hearing about climate change consistently since the 1980s. Multiple iterations of liberal (and moderate conservative) politician have campaigned on a variety of (free market) mechanisms for capping or curbing carbon emissions. We even had a huge surge in R&D for green energy alternatives and electrification - first in the 70s and then again during the gas cost explosion of the 00s - that is (thank fucking god) finally paying off.

So I won't say they "ignored this". I will say that we had a very wealthy, very influential minority entrenched within the political class that profited enormously from fossil fuel extraction and deliberately suppressed decades of prior efforts to reduce emissions, both domestically and globally.

The Boomers weren't blind to climate change. They weren't even apathetic. They were outmatched, outplayed, and outspent. Much like with slavery in the 1800s and women's liberation in the 1900s and human rights in the 2000s, this is a fight that liberals have spent a lot of time losing. What wins they achieved felt significant in the moment, but remained dwarfed by the stubborn intractability of their wealthy, reactionary opposition.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AI is going to fix this by increasing the scale of the Y axis.

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Did they ignore it? Yes but the only reason they ignored it was because...

  1. The oil industry (and other adjacent industries) did their best to make sure everybody doubted the science of climate change

  2. Governments (the U.S gov't in particular) took the oil industry's side and subsidized their ventures

  3. Libertarian think tanks (like the Heritage Foundation and ALEC) took money from Big Oil to misinform the public about climate change and its connection to fossil fuel burning.

[–] Shayeta@feddit.org 59 points 2 days ago

Finally, this is the first time I saw this graph that DIDN'T use logarithmic scale for time - which makes this sharp spike look "natural".

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Not just ignored, but vehemently dismissed as “woke” quoting the fossil fuel lobby almost verbatim. Repeatedly. Over generations and overwhelming scientific consensus.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 55 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.

It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.

Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I don't think this is gonna be a very popular response but here's my 2 cents after reading a lot of comments.

We are all products of out time. I'm not gonna blame ordinary people for believing what they were told when it was the general consensus at the time.

That doesn't excuse that behavior today. Today we know better.

But when my parents grew up, burning your garbage in the fire pit was considered recycling. It was the norm.

Today my parents and grandparents don't burn plastic in a fire pit. Because today we know better. But I don't think they ignored it 40 years ago. They just didn't know better.

Good thing we educate people on how to do what we can. Unfortunately, what individuals do doesn't matter much.

In school I did a project on climate change and in that research, I found that 1 single coal PowerPlant in Germany, released more co2, sulfur, monoxide and what not, in 1 month. Than every single registered vehicle in Sweden combined, does in a whole year.

So being a good citizen and taking my bike to the store and work instead of car (even during winter). Feels like a fart in the wind knowing that. Not to mention cargo-ships and what they use on international waters.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (23 children)

Imagine finding that people your own age ignored it too, like they're doing right now.

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[–] Krono@lemmy.today 28 points 2 days ago (6 children)

At what point on this graph is ecoterrorism justified?

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It isn't too late now. Apparently AI is a good target - eating a world's supply of electricity to further enrich the billionaires while continuing to muddy the science of climate change. Wish people were as upset about that as they are about their porn being restricted.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Our parents didn't ignore it.

Our Governments, and the corporations who bribed those governments, just didn't give a shit enough to listen.

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Stop it, my parents ignored climinate change, my dad still doesn't believe it.

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

No you don’t understand.

Jesus.

That’s all, any questions will be met with a holy sword to the clavicle. Jesus!

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