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[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I suppose most space-tier countries make research on the theme of muting/blinding the satellites. It is just common sense.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought it was denial of capacity. Satellites loaded with small ball bearings wrapped around high explosives to not only destroy satellites in a short term low orbit version of kessler syndrome, but to keep LEO full of satellite destroying shit for a while to deny relaunching new satellites.

A 500km orbit like Starlink means unassisted objects can stay up for almost 10 years. Long enough for war, short enough to not permanently damage space.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Is this scorched ~~earth~~ space tactic viable though?

Looking at the sort of tech militaries are heavily investing in at the moment, many require long range communication to work to their full potential. Sure, there is also the push to add object recognition and other smart systems to unmanned vehicles, but those are mainly intended to take care of the final approach where potential interferences are strongest.

Also surveillance satelites are irreplaceable in their capabilities.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes. For a non space-tier power. Their utility for space/LEO comms are valuable, but peripheral. Never going fully high tech, keeps the legacy systems in use and in current practice. Whereas a power like the US doesn’t do shit without a LINK net established and maintained, because we’ve forgotten/are unwilling to use the old methods.

It’s the Ukraine-Russo problem in the Black Sea, but applied to space. Denial is easier than presence, and even easier than dominance. If you can’t compete, why let them use it they way they want, or at all?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I am still not convinced because you are missing the political implications: Blocking LEO for your opponent means blocking it for everyone, friend or foe alike.

Unless we are talking about an all out two sided world war with no neutral parties blocking space is out of the question. It's the same reason we don't see nations using nuclear weapons: Their use would cause world wide condemnation and at best sanctions against you, at worst more enemy combatants.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

But China IS a space-tier power...

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is it viable?

If your opponent's use of the LEO space and satelites is more effective, more critical and beneficial to their operations than yours by a wide enough degree, then yes, scortched space is viable.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, the advantage has to be colossal because not only are you denying your opponent the use of LEO but the whole world. This is guarantied to make some new friends.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All's fair in love and war.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

More than a little naive, the Geneva Conventions, and nuclear M.A.D. Have been proving it wrong for decades.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Each new technology immediately raises two questions: how do we destroy it and how do we use it for destruction.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Three questions actually.

Can we use it for porn?

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i bet theres an xkcd for this

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

That's always the 4th question

[–] ksigley@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

If you’re brave enough, anything is a dildo.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This leads to the question of where I can find rule 34 of this.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

Watch these satellites get DESTROYED by an invader!

Everywhere but the EU

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Satlink has been extensively trialled for that use too.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All you need to do is hit the right spot on a satellite with an ablative laser to make it de-orbit.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah and that is not how that works, that is not how physics works and that is not how anything works.

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A laser heating one side of anything enough to ablate material in space will alter it's trajectory, it's entirely possible that objects in low earth orbit would be forced to return to earth. That's been proposed as a possible way to deal with all the random crap in space.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago

Yeah, if you take out lots of real world issues, maybe. In reality it is extremely hard for lasers to do any of that over enormous distances, especially through an atmosphere

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

But im sure musk went all out giving these satellites the best money can get./s