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[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The well-dweller makes a valid point. I use linux mint btw

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Now we know why they got tariff’d

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Really tired of "Linux user sucks" joke. We all know some obnoxious people exist and are annoying but they are small minority confined to their own space.

On the other side, everyday I see Linux people working on their free time or for little to no pay on accessibility issues, bettering software for everyone (including windows users). I also see community members doing their best to answer, document and work with newcomer to fix their issues. I see developers burning out because they received another report insulting their work because a feature doesn't work exactly like windows, etc...

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, sorry if that's the case.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I was going to say something similar... I've only been in Linux for maybe 2 years or so, but my experience interacting with people has been nothing but positive. Everyone is very helpful.

[–] remon@ani.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We all know some obnoxious people exist and are annoying but they are small minority confined to their own space.

But why did that space have to be lemmy?

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the people who want free and opensource social media overlap with people wanting a free and opensource OS. But I don’t think everyone here uses linux and I don’t think most people that do are obnoxious.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 24 points 2 days ago

Windows isnt built for you its built for me, a Systems Admin.

It is so easy to get all my corporate logging and compliance software onto that thing. Its objectively spyware but the feds and the insurance companies said to do it so I do.

Oh and copilot, by the gods, its so nice to give Microsoft full access to all my emails, teams messages, and notes so it can so quickly answer questions for me on everything. Only works if it's ya know spying on you and you're spending hundreds a year to use it. But it is great.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can’t we agree on both? I don’t want microsoft to spy on me and I would like people to switch to linux.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also, i can't do shit about microsoft. It's only gonna keep getting worse.

I cannot make them not suck. An update will undo anything i do to liberate your machine.

Literally the only solutions i have for 'ms please don't spy' are 'air gap' and 'linux'.

[–] FreeBeard@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 days ago

The thing is this: The safer Microsoft can be that Windows is the only thinkable OS for their users, the less risk there is when integrating Anti-User features.

To its users it is therefore important to know about alternatives. If you make Microsoft scared that users change OS, the product Windows will become better.

This is true even if you don't change your OS.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"I want my partner to stop beating me daily, but I don't want to leave them"

They keep beating you as long as it's profitable for them - and you keep it profitable

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

First of all, has your own experience with Windows been so traumatic that you actually feel it's proper to compare it to spousal abuse of all goddamn things?

Secondly, using emotionally manipulative false equivalences like that do nothing to further the argument, it just shuts it down by spreading feelings of guilt in the other partly.

Thirdly, people are allowed to ask for more privacy without evangelists like you crawling out of the woodwork to guilt-trip them into making a change they may not be ready for.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

First of all, has your own experience with Windows been so traumatic that you actually feel it's proper to compare it to spousal abuse of all goddamn things?

Secondly, using emotionally manipulative false equivalences like that do nothing to further the argument, it just shuts it down by spreading feelings of guilt in the other partly.

Might not have been the best comparison as another commenter mentioned

Thirdly, people are allowed to ask for more privacy without evangelists like you crawling out of the woodwork to guilt-trip them into making a change they may not be ready for.

Sure, you can ask but you're asking hammer to stop being a hammer. Modern Windows is not built to be private, but the opposite of it, it's a marketing platform.

[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's a little much to compare it to spousal abuse, but it's honestly not far from the truth. As for asking for more privacy, you're absolutely well within your right to ask for it, but it's well within Microsoft's right to say "fuck you I'll spy as much as I want because you agreed to be spied upon when you agreed to our EULA that you probably didn't actually read".

Microsoft windows is an advertising platform now and nothing more. Windows as a home operating system is a drop in the bucket for Microsoft, they want you spending money on subscriptions for O365, Xbox gamepass, and Azure Cloud. They want enterprise SQL licensing and azure cloud licensing, they couldn't give fuck all about some butthurt dudebro who plays call of duty, they want copilot subscribers and to be the driving force behind LLMs and AI not Meta or OpenAI. Your privacy is the last thing Microsoft will ever care about, and if you don't take the initiative and stop using that piece of shit intrusive OS, then idk what to tell you.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You (and the upvoters) thought that this was a clever statement. But it actually was not. It was very disrespectful.

Victims of abuse most often can't "just leave". It's not always that simple. It just appears simple to people far outside of abuse, having neither experienced nor witnessed it. Or, the rare case, are victims of survivorship bias, because they were in the miniscule percentage of people successfully leaving abusive enviromnente AND be smug about it afterwards. As someone working with abuse victims, it's really never a "then just leave!"

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough, could have used better comparison

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't meant condescending or anything. You didn't mean harm. It's just that victims, who hear this attitude a lot (because it seems so bloody obviously easy), might be pissed. Same like "why are you even homeless? Just buy a house, doh!"

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah no offense taken. You explained well why there was a problem and it's always a good thing

[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am going to take the bet.

The thing is : microsoft won't stop spying, collecting data is a nice business, and also most people don't need windows:

  • Office docs can be open through onlyoffice, or you can also switch to libreoffice (the best option would be raw text like markdown or csv with a nice editor)
  • Who really needs advanced photoshop stuff that gimp can't provide ? AI ? (also gimp devs just revamped the project to bring modern features inside the editing core)
  • web browsers work on linux.
  • only kernel anticheats do not work on linux because kernel. Shame on the devs for needing a full fledge malware when it is purely cat and mouse (and if game devs could provide hostable private servers this would be nice). Also, I don't know if it works but this project exists

Finally, posting this on the fediverse is a bit ironic : why would you go on a small userbase social network when you can just go on facebook, X, bluesky or reddit ?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I personally prefer Krita to Gimp, otherwise my real issues with Linux being:

  • Lack of pro audio support. Sure, a lot of open source plugins are available on Linux, but only 1 usable DAW (Ardour), and even that has it's own "issues" (de facto paid, if you don't want to wrestle with exact compiler and make versions the devs won't tell you).
  • X11 is kind of dated, while Wayland is still not up to the task.
  • GNOME devs. After all the sabotage, probably done in order to force people to use GTK and their UX design sensibilities, they should be banned from any Wayland protocol discussion.
  • Elitist users. They'll scream at you online for using a normal text editor instead of VIM, they want you to write little automated scripts for GDB instead of using something with a normal GUI, etc.
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wayland is not up to the task

Curious about this one, as I haven't had any issues with Wayland whatsoever, and have been using it for like two years on a few different distros...

I've never encountered anyone screaming at me for not using (insert FOSS software here). The most I've seen is just suggestions to try an alternative. And it's usually pretty polite

Just my experience though

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bitwig has a Linux version. It's proprietary and paid, but it's very nice to use and comes with a ton of devices.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 3 points 2 days ago

So does Reaper.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 days ago

Those tribal linux-neckbeards need this to feel superior. Who cares for their opinion?

I use both as tools for the job at hand. One always fits better than the other. It's not a cult, it's an OS